PvP is Dead.. RIP

[Takatsuki]

Pretty sure that (almost) none of the 80%+ WR people in feast on any DC are "cheating" they are just outperforming.

[LalaRu]

Zerg pvp has always been more a gigantic PUG than something organized, win or lose is much more rng. Just freelance it and hope to be in winning team.

[Takatsuki]

You hella edgy hombre lmao

[Dzian]

I won't mince words here: Everything you said is a huge detriment to PvP in this game, and a very wrongful way to look at it. This doesn't mean you're wrong to think that way, but it IS wrong to propogate this type of view of PvP, which is what largely led people away from it to begin with. If you don't care if you win or lose, it's perhaps better that you do something else. Because if you're on a team of people who want to win, that only drags them down. If all you're in it for is tomestones, roulettes and all other endgame activities are still viable means and offer even more than PvP does.

Simply put, if you feel PvP isn't good in this game, do other things. They offer everything you want, and in higher quantities with less effort anyways. But don't come in here spreading that kind of negativity. That in itself is a large source of the "toxicity" so many complain about, and it's quite unwelcome.

The tomes and exp are the only reason most people queue it. Before they were added PvP queues were epic long. Even longer than lol dps queues.

People say if they removed it all players would do is go back to pitd. Is that a bad thing? especially if they don't care about winning or losing. so why is sending them back to potd a bad thing if you don't want them on your team anyway sending them somewhere else seems the ideal solution. Outside of the once again epicly longer queue times for PvP for those that want to win.

The problem is the amount of players that want to actually try and win is ridiculously small. That's why the queue times used to be as bad as they were.

Don't get me wrong anyway I do fully agree with everything you said. But at the same time I am one of those guys that thinks like the person you quoted. The exp / tomes is the only reason I queue the frontlines roulette. So I fully admit I am one of those people that doesn't care if I win or lose.

Hell sometimes it's better to just give up and get the match done that 2 minutes faster for a higher exp : time ratio.

The whole thing is a mess but I guess it's a question of do you want fast queues? Or do you want people that want to actually win. I dont think you can reliably have both..

One thing they could do is scale the exp based on score. So if the winners get say 1.6 million exp for 1600 points.
The team that comes in second might get 1.5 million if they had 1500 points or 700k if they only had 700 points....

Might push even the losing team to try a bit harder because they might never win but they can still gain more from trying than just giving up

[xJimmehx]

I dont think you can reliably have both..

Well, I was strictly a pve player until the garo gear came. I enjoyed grinding out the wolf marks to get those items and am a little sad now that I have nothing to put my marks towards. (I dont care for the other stuff so far) The hellhound and seasonal equipment is great but I'll likely never obtained any of it. If they could allow access to those items to more people than top 10, I think it would be a big help.

Edit: Also, i always tried to win because victory rewared double marks.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You agree with me, yet you agree with them, and even flatly admit that it's better to just give up and throw the match for XP? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that too is a reportable offense, yes?

Let me perhaps paint this differently: If I perhaps were to raid with you, and I contribute minimally to damage, die a few times to mechanics that are easily avoidable, and am generally nasty and unwilling to take advice, it's perfectly fine as long as I get my loot, right?

Because that is what that kind of reasoning sounds like. (Also that's largely the biggest issue people have with Alliance raids.)

It should also be noted that we DID have fast queues and people that wanted to win before. No, it wasn't Garo, and pick a thread around here, I've said this multiple times. Lifting GC restrictions in the form of Frontline Freelancer allowed for easier matchmaking (like we said it would) is what improved queues greatly, especially after 3 years of the PvP community begging for it. Tomes were always there, yes, but so were all the other, better options for them. XP wasn't, and yet, the caliber and actual will to win of the players was higher. I would love to be wrong on it, but it's hard not to see where the issue is there. . .

As for. . . this:

I won't mince words here: I don't care what you think I should or should not do or say. Don't like it? Tough nuggets. SE put tombstones on roulette for Feast for a reason and I don't really care if the "try hards" get dragged down by me focusing on doing what I want in matches. There is no penalty for winning or losing besides a little XP so zero ****'s are given. Petition the developers to change the game if it bothers you so much. Until then IDGAF.

It's a shame that you decided to take such a stance, but you're free to do so. . . But I'm also free to both vote kick you off my team for reasons of "different playstyle" (since I want to win but you clearly don't care). I would also like to point out the very flawed logic of that "Petition the developers" bit. Sorry, but the game doesn't need to be changed because you choose to be a nasty and uncooperative player. Then again, you'll be able to run dungeons with your squadron coming soon, so perhaps you might also find that a better option soon.

P.S. if you think I was rude in my first response to you, you should really look at yourself here. No editing it away and playing the "I don't have time for this" card, sorry.

[Wintersandman]

Epic comeback.

You're my hero

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I've noted in many threads and the guide I wrote here some time ago that there are many ways to win Shatter. It's to your team's benefit to either play multiple objectives or be very adaptable on the fly.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

I've said too many times in shatter for some sort of compromise. People can get kills as well on ice as any other place but still see a lot getting snowed far far away.