Excluding Players from Ultimate Savage is Not the Right Move

[Kurando]

Well look at it this way, there is nothing stopping a player from going through the PF and skipping straight to o8s, clearing it (whether they were carried or not) and then having instant access to the Ultimate content. Players can go straight in to o4s now and unlock Ult Bahamut, as being overgeared often allows for more mistakes (or to be carried), but that doesn't mean the player is ready to then try the game's hardest content. We then have 5.0 which would allow unsync for old savage content, making it even easier.

Essentially the content might be locked, but a player only needs to wait a few months and they can have it unlocked quicker than most raiders did originally. Should a player be expected to compete a particular savage raid a certain number of times first before unlocking it? So you have to ask where is the actual limit to how restricted something should be, because it can suddenly become no longer exclusive to hardcore raiders regardless of its original intention.

[whiskeybravo]

Well look at it this way, there is nothing stopping a player from going through the PF and skipping straight to o8s, clearing it (whether they were carried or not) and then having instant access to the Ultimate content. Players can go straight in to o4s now and unlock Ult Bahamut, as being overgeared often allows for more mistakes (or to be carried), but that doesn't mean the player is ready to then try the game's hardest content. We then have 5.0 which would allow unsync for old savage content, making it even easier.

Essentially the content might be locked, but a player only needs to wait a few months and they can have it unlocked quicker than most raiders did originally. Should a player be expected to compete a particular savage raid a certain number of times first before unlocking it? So you have to ask where is the actual limit to how restricted something should be, because it can suddenly become no longer exclusive to hardcore raiders regardless of its original intention.

It's kind of a moot point. Even if someone did manage to get carried through o4s or o8s to unlock ultimate - they still have to prove themselves worthy to a UCOB or UWU group. Survival of the fittest, they won't last long if they can't keep up. Even if they weren't carried, Ultimate is not for everyone. My original static that cleared both 4s and 8s, the majority simply wouldn't be able to hang with Ultimate. And I've had urges to try it but not even sure about myself tbh. So I don't see any problem with it being locked, it's not excluding players at all - everyone has an equal shot at unlocking - you just have to earn it.

[Kurando]

snip.

But it contridicts itself if it's supposed to have such difficult restrictions for getting there YET it's not that hard to get around it whether you are ready to challenge the hardest content or not. The original discussion was the content shouldn't be locked out for casual players, but you only need to wait and suddenly it's actually in reach for just about anyone.

[whiskeybravo]

But it contridicts itself if it's supposed to have such difficult restrictions for getting there YET it's not that hard to get around it whether you are ready to challenge the hardest content or not. The original discussion was the content shouldn't be locked out for casual players, but you only need to wait and suddenly it's actually in reach for just about anyone.

But that's everything in this game - all content is outdated eventually and thus easier to access. In the big scheme of things that's how it should be so new players can eventually get caught up, or for old players to go back and complete things they couldn't at the time. What matters is when the content is current. Furthermore, it's kind of a theme in this game in general. Unlock Story Titan > hard Titan > extreme Titan. Normal Raids > savage raids > ultimate raids. That's the progression system. Nobody argued about letting people who never beat Titan in to Titan Extreme groups when it was relevant. Same thing here. There's a defined progression system where you complete content then tackle more difficult versions of that content. Whether or not someone "legitimately" cleared said content is irrelevant. Clear one challenge and you can move on to the next, that's how this game works and how most games in general work.

[Rubiss]

Should just sell Ultimate Jump Potions on mogstation. Actually one step above, should just sell the clear on mogstation that way no one is excluded from the title and weapon.

[KaivaC]

Should just sell Ultimate Jump Potions on mogstation. Actually one step above, should just sell the clear on mogstation that way no one is excluded from the title and weapon.

Plz don't even suggest that - SE might get an idea and try to push Yoshi to do it so they can push more FF15 and KH3 DLC.

[LeoLupinos]

I thought this thread was annihilated since second comment, why it has 39 pages?
Let it die already!

[Usho]

I thought this thread was annihilated since second comment, why it has 39 pages?
Let it die already!

Never say die!


/Necro 2 cents

[Remedi]

well necroing it and then feeding it again makes it go long way

[Nihility]

there's just no point making it open to everyone
the standard versions of the bosses are available to all and the ultimate fights are tuned to a point that if you can't get past savage on your own merits you'll last maybe 10-15s at best

not to mention full best in slot is kind of a pre-req to even have a chance