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    Aviars Lightsworn
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I don’t care about PvP mounts. Considering I have none of them. So I personally don’t want to make anything with regards to them easy. This argument isn’t even about them, and I’m not going to get into it again with you.
    No need to be so hostile my good friend. We both want the same thing. To keep the undeserving away from our content/rewards.
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    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviars View Post
    No need to be so hostile my good friend. We both want the same thing. To keep the undeserving away from our content/rewards.
    Difference is, I never have, nor ever will suggest a time gate for rewards from any content, Ultimate and PVP included. I know Hyo is of like mind on this subject. You can still go back, blitz Neo Exdeath, and finish Bahamut and earn the title and the weapon. If we had it like you so adamantly defend Feast tournaments, that would no longer be possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Hmm. Has nothing to do with PvP mounts inb4 you start that nonsense again. Take your arguments about that elsewhere, my dude.
    It's pretty much same premise
    "Why should they have it easier when we worked hard earlier"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    This isn't uncommon game design, many games do the same thing. Kingdom Hearts, for example, requires you to beat the game on normal to unlock proud mode.

    Locking ultimate behind savage isn't just gating, it's incentive, and gives new reason to clear the content. If ultimate was open to everyone then what's even the point of savage?
    Ultimate doesnt give armor or accessories
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    Ultimate doesnt give armor or accessories
    Aren't those things only good for ultimate? And if they are needed for ultimate why would it be accessible to those who haven't cleared it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Aren't those things only good for ultimate? And if they are needed for ultimate why would it be accessible to those who haven't cleared it?
    Exactly
    So people would still have a incentives to do savage even if ultimate is open for everyone
    goes against what you said "then what even is the point of savage"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    Exactly
    So people would still have a incentives to do savage even if ultimate is open for everyone
    goes against what you said "then what even is the point of savage"
    Um thats not what I said. I said if savage gear is needed for ultimate, then having ultimate ungated is redundant. Let me propose another reason though: If you are recruiting for an ultimate static, you know that everyone that you recruit has beaten savage by virtue of being able to enter the fight. Its a barrier of entry that proves you are good enough to attempt the content, and by saturating the amount of players seeking groups, it would make the content a whole lot more difficult to get into, and would cause a lot more toxicity (from everyone, not just "elitists" before someone jumps in on that) and frustration in the long run.
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    If they are just going to give access to everyone people will complain that it's too hard (you know it will happen), so better keep it the way it is right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruru_Nayu View Post
    If they are just going to give access to everyone people will complain that it's too hard (you know it will happen), so better keep it the way it is right now.
    "I walked into hard content and its actually hard"
    Does sound like ths player base alright
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    Zinnia Higana
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    Cactuar
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    We HAD something brutally difficult open to everyone. Remember when Alexander: Gordias was current? That very same raid that you kids gleefully (and inefficiently) farm light from used to tear unprepared statics apart. What was left of them was so throughly destroyed by Pepsiman that the game nearly died. Hell, the effects of Gordias's rectal ravaging of the community are felt to this very day with the difficulty of "Savage" raids feeling like hard mode primals.

    They tried making hard content for everyone, and everyone couldn't handle it, so let's not fix what isn't broken.

    Also Thordan Ultimate. That needs to be a thing.
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