Excluding Players from Ultimate Savage is Not the Right Move

[Usho]

#NecroBump!

[ChaoticCrimson]

The dead don't slumber eternally. They simply wait...

[Tint]

Honestly i don't even try to clear any of the savages as the gear is not really worth it in the long run as we get better gear in 2 or 3 patches later, but hey if you wanna go and deal with screaming try hard sweats go ahead... or better yet good luck even finding a static XD

its not worth the effort or the set up, and the raid community is pretty toxic.

we will get even better gear in 4 or 5 patches, so what you are doing in 2 or 3 patches is also not worth the effort. and then we get even better gear in 6 or 7 patches... and 8 or 9 patches... honestly: you should quit, wait a couple of years for the very last patch FF14 will ever get, come back, gear up and call it a day.

you can either play the game now - or not play the game while you are waiting for the next patch to get the gear without effort (wich means you get the gear very fast and are as fast back to the waiting part).

if you don't like raiding that's fine - i don't like it either. but none of these virtual items is worth anything. but what is worth something is the time you spend on something you have fun with. and for some people that is the raid.

[Dualgunner]

its not worth the effort or the set up, and the raid community is pretty toxic.

I find a lot of the communities around the raid community, including its detractors who like to criticize it, are more toxic.

[Fredco191]

#NecroBump!

Necro THIS! * Throws self out of the nearest window *

[MoroMurasaki]

I find a lot of the communities around the raid community, including its detractors who like to criticize it, are more toxic.

Way to live up to your signature there, making me proud <3

[HyoMinPark]

Oh, hey. It’s this mess of a thread again.

Honestly i don't even try to clear any of the savages as the gear is not really worth it in the long run as we get better gear in 2 or 3 patches later, but hey if you wanna go and deal with screaming try hard sweats go ahead... or better yet good luck even finding a static XD

its not worth the effort or the set up, and the raid community is pretty toxic.

The same could literally be said for any of the current patch gear—we get better gear in a few months, why bother getting the current gear when it will be obsolete in 2 patch cycles?

Finding a static isn’t that hard.

And I’ve met far more non-raiders that act “toxic” compared to raiders. /shrug

[KDSilver]

its not worth the effort or the set up, and the raid community is pretty toxic.

That's not true at all.
There are as much toxic people in the raid community as in the casual one.
And as my personnal experience, in game or even on the web in general, casual tend to be even more toxic than raiders themselves.
Even on this raid community, those who are insulting and blaming everyone aren't even those who play very well.

I know a lot of very good raider players who are very helpful (granting help for kills, giving advices), patient...

So please, no.
Yes it exists, because well, "human", but it has nothing to do with raiding itself.

[Duskane]

Really it should just have a really high ilevel restriction instead of clearing o4/8s
But if you didnt beat kefka or exdeath slim chance you would beat bahamut or kefka

[HyoMinPark]

Really it should just have a really high ilevel restriction instead of clearing o4/8s
But if you didnt beat kefka or exdeath slim chance you would beat bahamut or kefka

That latter is exactly why V4S/V8S are a requirement—if you can’t down Neo or God, like heck you’ll beat Bahamut or Ultima.