Excluding Players from Ultimate Savage is Not the Right Move

[DevilsDontFly]

But it's so simple to understand.

If you can't do it = you're not ready.
If you're not ready = you won't clear it.

This goes beyond the whole "let the player decide". You're basically saying that a level 10 player should have access to Aurum Vale regardless of the in-game process to build you up to that point just because it has to be the player's decision based on their curiosity rather than their skill, gear and progression level.

The live letter said especifically that this content is not meant to "carry" or "get carried".
I'm not even a hardcore raider but really, not everything in this game has to be accessible to everyone because that trivializes content for those who want really dificult challenges to face and have the skill to overcome it.

[KatenKyokotsu]

Just treat o4s as making a baby. If you can't shoot you can't have a baby.. which makes the majority of us impotent I guess..

[Xlantaa]

Even if they can't down it, they still have the right to go inside to see it. It is not fair for a player being locked. Even if it is just to enter and see how it is the figth and that. And pelase, don't say youtube, that's not even close experience compared to play it.

[Dualgunner]

It does not matter how poorly geared people are, or how poorly they are in general. It does not matter if they are unable to clear either. We don't exclude people from Omega savage either, and it's obvious some of them will never get to clear that either. Why do we have to stop people because they are not "ready" for that difficulty? You would deny them this fight for this reason alone? Will we gate Omega Savage behind striking dummies or earlier savage content to prove they are capable? It's inconsistent.

V2S is denied to people who haven't cleared V1S. V3S is denied to people who haven't cleared V2S, and V4S is denied to people who haven't cleared V3S.

[MoarLegion]

Even if they can't down it, they still have the right to go inside to see it. It is not fair for a player being locked. Even if it is just to enter and see how it is the figth and that. And pelase, don't say youtube, that's not even close experience compared to play it.

They can go inside and see it, they can unsync the previous coils and go in and see it.

[Lunafreya]

Even if they can't down it, they still have the right to go inside to see it. It is not fair for a player being locked. Even if it is just to enter and see how it is the figth and that. And pelase, don't say youtube, that's not even close experience compared to play it.

I dont think you understand the purpose of ultimate. It's beyond savage for a reason.

[DevilsDontFly]

Even if they can't down it, they still have the right to go inside to see it. It is not fair for a player being locked. Even if it is just to enter and see how it is the figth and that. And pelase, don't say youtube, that's not even close experience compared to play it.

Why is it unfair for them not to be able to see it but it's fair for them to join a party with skilled players capable of doing the content, but probably ended up wiping countless times because of that person that clearly isn't at the same skill level?

You're basically saying that joining a party for content you're not prepared to do in hopes to get carried is fair. But that fairness also means countless party wipes because of that one person. The moment this one individual can cause 7 other people to being unable to clear said content, the fair arguments start losing me.

Good example? OS3. One person can snowball and make the whole run impossible to be done. All you need is a couple of mistakes and the whole group gets punished because of it.
It might seem "unfair" from your point of view, but it's just as unfair from mine. In the end what matters is that not everything should be accessible for everybody right off the bat.

[Coratanni]

The problem is very obvious. It excludes people for no rational reason whatsoever. If solid players want to recruit other solid, experienced players, you can easily put that option in Party Finder.

This is the kind of narcissistic, self-entitled attitude that is bringing society down. This, right here. Incredible that anyone can be this spoiled and pampered to think that everything should be accessible to them without doing the work required and earn the qualifications to participate in the top 1% of something.

You may not like the real world... It's a lot more restrictive than this.

[Taika]

I very much disagree with the OP, but the amount of personal attacks directed at them in this thread is just shameful. (And also a bit funny, when they concern their assumed inability as a player, if you just check their logs... not that it should matter.) I'm sure you're capable of forming an argument against their argument instead of attacking what you assume to be their character. Or if not, maybe better to stay quiet. :P

[Dzian]

This is one of those cases of gatekeeping that is probably a good idea, not a bad one. This gatekeeping is in place to stop players who simply aren't ready for the difficulty. And if they think they're ready, they're horribly mistaken.

While I agree I personally think it would depend on how the ultimates will be tuned..

If those ultimate encounters are gonna stay at there difficulty and don't get easier with over gearing/ echp / unsynced when 5.0 lands. then it's actually a piece of content I'd like to try and would smash my head into a brick wall 10,000 times in the process. because unlike absolutely every other content in the game it would have a lasting sense of prestige.. so in that case It shouldn't be locked behind o4s. because generally speaking the reason I don't care for o4s is cos the rewards are junk and the challenge is only temporary. down the line it'll end up being rofl stomped as easily as people were grinding a1s for lights...

If the new ultimate difficulty will end up like savage coil did. where you can eventually over gear it. / unsync it then to be honest I have no motivation at all to do it so being locked behind o4s isn't a problem