Excluding Players from Ultimate Savage is Not the Right Move

[technole]

Maybe someone wants to jump into the super hard stuff right away? What's it to you what order someone does endgame in?

You have to realize not everyone who has cleared O4S has a static, so they PuG to clear. There are people who actually play in PuGs to get their 1-4 savage clears weekly. That was how I did everything on my Gilgamesh character without a static last tier. A static is way more fun, but there are people who can't commit to a set schedule, or maybe they have more characters they want to trap/pug savage with.

Granted, people who clear the tier early on their own tend to try gather some of the same people to clear content with. However if they are going to freely open a PF to recruit randoms to Ultimate with, they surely would like people who are qualified.

In-fact many mechanics in O4S have actually came from Coil. Someone who hasn't stepped into Coil let alone cleared Neo O4S wouldn't know anything about Allagan Field or Forked Lightning and there you go, instant wipe. With the way mechanics get recycled in this game, there is a pretty inherent advantage of clearing the tier. Knowing your job to a raid-level, mechanical awareness, aside from having likely full i340 level.

I mean, you'd still be able to do it even if it didn't have the restriction. This argument makes no sense, and in fact your last sentence is exactly why they shouldn't lock it. Gives end-game raiders more variety of stuff.

Ultimate won't be weekly locked but savage will likely still be to prevent full-gear inflation.

Every person gets an i345 token for a weapon upon ultimate clear. It's meant to be a one-and-done thing.

[Nestama]

Remember when T6 was locked behind T5 and T10 was locked behind T9?

That was so unfair.

/s

If you can beat O4S, then you have access to Ultimate. I've been informed that the hardest thing about O4S is Exdeath himself, while Neo Exdeath is "easier."
I myself would like to try out Ultimate, but I have yet to even step foot in O4S and clear O3S (basically, I am in no way ready for Ultimate. At all). If I never get to try Ultimate at all, oh well. I can still watch the fight (when people upload it a month or two after clearing it).

[Paladinleeds]

Ok, so before you start going all gung-ho saying "You just wanna keep raiding exclusive to your circle", I haven't touched Savage. So clearly I'm wanting to keep something exclusive to my circle that I'm not even in (I got the Savage Coil titles unsynced, which is another thing)... With that being said, I do feel that this Super Savage does need to be exclusive. It has been stated that it is going to be ball-bustingly hard. Probably harder than A3S and A6S were combined back in their heydey, and it's going to be designed to be so hard it breaks statics. Basically, anything less than the hardestcore or the hardcore will not be able to beat this. Plus by the sounds of it, it's going to be locked to minimum ilvl. If you are not super-hardcore, this will be a source of frustration and salt. It will make you want to destroy your PC because unless you're hardcore already, you're going to feel hellfire and brimstone. And, it will bring out the worst in people.

If everyone can try it, then people will cry nerf. SE, because this is meant to be ball-bustingly hard, will face a choice. Cave in and watch as some of the playerbase complains that SE won't give the hardcore players a bone, or refuse and watch as other players keep crying nerf until the cows come home (and you bet there will be millions of topics on it). Or they'll start making ridiculous comments about SE, or quit the game.

One thing is for certain, no matter what SE does, someone will complain to do the opposite of what they did. The company cannot win.

EDIT: Actually, one thing I haven't yet talked about. Consider O4S as like a training wheels exercise. Consider O4S as like training to make sure you are up to the task. Because it's going to be a LOT harder than O4S.

[Nestama]

Probably harder than A3S and A6S were combined back in their heydey, and it's going to be designed to be so hard it breaks statics.

But what if we threw in a Cruise Chaser into the mix... or will that be Second Ultimate?
Y'know, I have a strange feeling there'll be an 'Ultimate' that will include the Warring Triad (I can't be the only one who has thought about a fight involving these three all at once).

[akaneakki]

I am absolutely baffled that 95%(?) are denied this content when such a simple solution would not deny them this fight. Inclusion is not a bad thing in this case.

Why? Most of the 95% players even fails in a simple fight like susano. Leave alone dishing out 85% of the classes dps/optimizing it. This goes to every tank and healers as well. As a healer you aren't good if you just goof around healing, much as a tank spams aggro combo when hes 80% ahead of everyone on aggro. The gate is good and it should be like that. I think gates is a good thing in this game in the first place. Simply because you paid and sub the game, doesn't mean you are one of those people who can pull it off. You see it everywhere, people expects clear but doesn't even try.

[Yasuhiro]

I probably wont get to see it due to not being good at this game but I think it's pretty fair.
You proved you can handle yourself in savage so now you can move onto the next hardest thing, it's a cool concept having previous hard content be a proving ground.

[KDSilver]

What is the purpose of allowing people who haven't cleared O4S to go in Bahamut Ultimate if they don't have the knowledge and skill for it?
You really think people who will create pf to go and challenge Ultimate will just go in it for... "nothing yeah we don't care let's wipe all day because the party definitly isn't ready for it and it's super fun to wipe forever on the very first mechanic" ?

You say it excludes people, but the battle itself by being really hard is already "excluding" these people. And if it wasn't locked, the community would do it, not because they are jerk and idiots but this is OBVIOUS they would like good and performant people to go in.

Soooooo.... this is THE MOST LOGICAL THING... for people to first kill O4S then go in Ultimate.
This is a challenging content for hardcore players but also a form of "reward" for them. Like "hey, thank you and congratz for clearing O4S, here is now the REAL hard battle !"

But it would seems you definitly are stuck in your idea and no matter how many people tell you how stupid your argument is, you'll keep telling them it's unfair.

Damn....

[Ryaz]

I'm fine with this. I don't do savage personally, but every MMO has a gate check for harder difficulties to make sure players are ready.

Though, I wish SE would focus on more general end game stuff as well, instead of mostly just catering to the few percent who'll actually play it. For example, I heard there's only going to be one new dungeon this time?

[Kailea_Nagisa]

yes, as it was said before 4.0 even came out, odd numbered patches have 1 dungeon and a bunch of other stuff added, where as even number will have 2

[Nestama]

The one dungeon thing is so they have more time to create different things (in odd numbered patches). Like fleshing out Eureka (so it hopefully won't be Diadem 4.0) and whatever else (Squadrons joining you in dungeons, etc). Also, maybe this one dungeon will have some very interesting bosses in it.

I'm going to have to say it's odd to say that SE is catering to the "1%" when throughout ARR and HW they've mostly catered to casuals.