Edda's outfit is available now apparently.

[Serilda]

It goes both ways. Every minute thing SE does seems wrong. Perhaps it has to do with different levels of understanding and entitlement? Just a thought.

The entire point is that it doesn't go both ways, so don't you dare insinuate that other people are being entitled or less understanding than you. You're the person who posted earlier to dismiss this whole thing as not being S-E's fault. Whose fault is it, then? Is a higher power sitting in their studio forcing them to keep spending extra time and money on the same half of their players every time, forcing them to prioritise glamours that never even existed on the NPC who first wore them back at the time they pledged to improve glamour equality? It is their fault, and they have the power to set things right any time they choose to do so. They don't need you to blindly defend them. They can solve this instantly whenever they want, either by announcing they're going to stop doing this or announcing that actually, they're deliberately favouring female characters and males should just give up expecting the same amount of content for the same subscription fee. Let us know we exist to subsidise the experience for those who picked female characters, and then we can make our decisions accordingly instead of being strung along.

I will give you Hien, but Krile, Lyse's dress, Yugiri, HW Minfilia? The backlog of potential female-only costumes is gigantic. Even the Ishgardian dresses people have asked for are likely to be gender locked when they arrive, while the male-only NPC Ishgardian costume was released unlocked. For no reason. Frankly, you're likely getting fewer glamours for females already too as they hold things back to try to mask the systemic unfairness, it's just that as you're benefiting overall you aren't seeing the problem exists. I don't want to imagine how much of an outcry there would be if things ever swung the other way.

[Alleo]

So you want us to believe that making this dress available for cross dressers would double the revenue for SE?

I play a female and I am a female in real life and I can understand the frustration from the male players..not only are some of them still waiting on their version of the bunny set..but would it really be too much to ask to make a male version of it? Maybe trousers instead of a dress.

I mean I am a bit miffed that the Aymeric gear set is male only even though we should be able to wear it.

In the end I am just sad that so many glamour wishes (and even emotes) are landing in the cash shop or are used in near impossible achievements for most players (like the tiger mount or the hellhound one). All of this could have been drops from content, may it be old or new one. People would log in to play it thus subscription money. Well good bye Edda gear, I will just never wear you.

Because they guessed that it was a cute hair for females and thus many females might want to buy it. More power to them? I know people want to see some sort of injustice there, but I can't share that view.

Wait so if we females might look cute in something we will get a gender unlocked part of the outfit but the males are not allowed to have that? There are probably lots of male gamers or just players with male ingame characters that would find certain female locked sets to be cute on them. Why should they not be allowed to get it? Why only us females? Also I am quite sure that there are enough females/female characters that would love to dress their character in Aymerics gear. There should be no reason (other than it costing them more time and money to make for all bodies..) to not have everything as gender unlocked..I mean people pay money for it so its not like they dont get anything out of those and on top of that these mog stations sets already exist ingame so they dont even need to create something from the ground up too..should be enough of a reason to make it possible to be worn on every body.

Also if people constantly find something negative then maybe its because there are much things to be negative about? They can make mistakes and as a paying customer its in our right to point out things that we dont like. Heck even the team itself pointed out that criticism is worth double a compliment. And I might complain a lot but I also give them positive feedback when I like something. But sadly in the past few months there is more and more negative points for me which are often part of their finance decision.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

If they made the set dyable I would buy it in a heartbeat since both the hat and dress can be used to greater effect in different colors, but it's understandable why it's both not dyable and only available in the cash shop. For the most part, the only items that were "cash shop only" are gear sets that are worn by major characters in the story (The exception being region exclusives). There was an outcry for these set pieces pre-cash shop and SE delivered for the people who really wanted it. In a sense it preserves the "rarity" of the item to an extent since the alternative is to give them out as a part of the MSQ, which is kinda weird; "Hey, thanks for saving the world, let me strip down and give you my clothes."

[Aylis]

not only are some of them still waiting on their version of the bunny set..but would it really be too much to ask to make a male version of it? Maybe trousers instead of a dress.

I feel that's exactly what the guys want. Just a simple variant of the outfit, to have a choice at least vs no choice what-so-ever. So many just jump on the assumption they want the dress version specifically. The fact that it's a cash shop item means there needs to be variants. Even in the most recognized Korean games, the amount of choiceless gender locked outfits is kept to a really low minimal. I'm perplexed as to why its flaunted here.

As a perspective...



This is Soha, one of the main characters in BnS



The two middle characters feature her outfit as it was sold on the cash shop for a time, both male and female variants. One obviously needs a bra, has more snug fitting jeans and a more exposed shawl. The redesigned male version obviously doesn't need a bra so it was removed, the jeans are more loose fitting and the shawl covers more of the chest.

I just don't understand why SE can't do the same and spend a week or two on an outfit redesign so at least the guys have a choice. Especially when real money is envolved.

[Alleo]

If they made the set dyable I would buy it in a heartbeat since both the hat and dress can be used to greater effect in different colors, but it's understandable why it's both not dyable and only available in the cash shop. For the most part, the only items that were "cash shop only" are gear sets that are worn by major characters in the story (The exception being region exclusives). There was an outcry for these set pieces pre-cash shop and SE delivered for the people who really wanted it. In a sense it preserves the "rarity" of the item to an extent since the alternative is to give them out as a part of the MSQ, which is kinda weird; "Hey, thanks for saving the world, let me strip down and give you my clothes."

You know I would love if the NPCs could just have their own unique gear set which cant be worn by us players. Seeing people running around in Ystholas current set really makes her own look so common and I find it sad that they started it. But since we are already that far into it, where we soon will even get the first Lyse outfit even though SB just started, then I cant accept any argument that talks about keeping it rare. Its weird anyway no matter if they would give it out per quest, or as an ingame drop or if they sell it for money, because we are still wearing them.

The only reason they are selling them on the mog station is money. They saw how people bought the first NPCs sets and saw a way to make easy money since they already had the set itself and only needed to adjust it.

Also not sure how making it rare would be an argument for making it not dyeable.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

Also not sure how making it rare would be an argument for making it not dyeable.

Yeah, I didn't finish that thought. I think the reason why they're not making it dyable is because it's supposed to be <insert name here>'s gear, and that means you can both make the argument that doing so would make the gear less recognizable which is their perceived reason for putting it up as well as their ability to rescind that argument at a later date and make it dyable in order to get a secondary boost in sales.

[Magic-Mal]

Wait so if we females might look cute in something we will get a gender unlocked part of the outfit but the males are not allowed to have that? There are probably lots of male gamers or just players with male ingame characters that would find certain female locked sets to be cute on them. Why should they not be allowed to get it? Why only us females?

It's a sad case of pure double standards :/

Basically "No it's really not a big deal if you can't wear what we got. Embrace what you have already. *Male outfit comes* Wow! We need this glamour it will look so good on my character! Please make it unisex SE!"

And let's not forget the huge controversy over the Male and Female Sundrop Dance back in 3.x.. Goodness gracious. That was sad. I remember everytime male characters asked for something the females had, the response was "Fantasia to female then. Stop complaining". Once the males had a special thing, they were able to use that same response on them. Then it was absolute WAR!

I feel bad for the people who play male characters, having to deal with the ridiculous double standards.

Let us honor all the brave heros who foughtifor what's right in the bloody War of Haka that caused a dark stain on on our forum's history:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Sundrop-Dance

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Sundrop-Dance

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ed-for-Females

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...our-to-females.

[Naunet]

Yeah, I didn't finish that thought. I think the reason why they're not making it dyable is because it's supposed to be <insert name here>'s gear, and that means you can both make the argument that doing so would make the gear less recognizable which is their perceived reason for putting it up as well as their ability to rescind that argument at a later date and make it dyable in order to get a secondary boost in sales.

I dislike this attitude from SE, personally. Lots of folk don't buy these outfits (or any outfit) in order to dress up as the NPC. They get them to mix and match and make their own outfits. Not being able to dye them makes them significantly less appealing. That and their rather high price point (especially for single-character costumes) are what keep me from buying anything at all.

[hynaku]

Just with you could dye it. Maybe later on SE can make it so can dye it. Also be nice if they made scythe able to be dyed to.

[Aylis]

Not being able to dye them makes them significantly less appealing. That and their rather high price point (especially for single-character costumes) are what keep me from buying anything at all.

Yeah...I would have liked to be able to dye it as well. The big thing that's keeping me from buying it though is no glamor catalogue/wardrobe to store/upload it to. I don't want another four piece set clogging my already clogged inventory.