Flawless Synthesis + Maker's Mark (bug or not)?

[Caimie_Tsukino]

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Interesting. Perhaps it is really a bug that no one discovered throughout the course of Heavensward!

[pkminer30]

hmmm:

Interesting. Perhaps it is really a bug that no one discovered throughout the course of Heavensward!

I think its because we didn't think people were stupid enough not to read skills and not understand how they work...

Makers Mark can only be started on FIRST STEP.
Flawless Synthesis is FREE when you have Makers Mark Stacks.
Flawless Synthesis is 90% proc and only increases progress by 40 meaning if it lasts 37 moves then thats realistically a 30/37 proc so thats: 1200 progress... Less than Muscle Memory Gives except it gives + 24 CP from comfort zones.

So once the makers mark counter hits 0 you shouldn't use flawless synthesis anymore instead you should work on getting your progress to the point where its 1 Careful synth II / III away from completion then from there build up the quality.

[Tsubaki75]

hmmm:
So once the makers mark counter hits 0 you shouldn't use flawless synthesis anymore instead you should work on getting your progress to the point where its 1 Careful synth II / III away from completion then from there build up the quality.

This ^, at most the only cp you should be using is for comfort zone right after maker's mark then steady hand and 1 or 2 piece by piece. the rest should be flawless synth until it's used up. Don't even use inner quiet until you are done with flawless synth

[Caimie_Tsukino]

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I was in disbelieve at first too, but I wouldn't dismiss other people's claim prematurely. Have you actually tried to investigate it?
Vidu said she did.
Well, I have too... look:






Myth busted. Evidence here. IT IS A BUG.
It's not something we'd usually encounter, as this is obviously not utilizing Maker's Mark correctly. Hence, people who actually craft properly never saw this bug. Yet, a bug is a bug. If Maker's Mark is still active, it makes no sense for Flawless Syn to blur out.

[ChameleonMS]

Thanks for testing Vidu and Camie. I was going to do this when I get on tonight. You have saved me that effort.

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LOL, this reminded me of Short Circuit.

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I was in disbelieve at first too, but I wouldn't dismiss other people's claim prematurely.

Okay I don't understand the changes made to MaMa and FS. Did they raise the MaMa stacks or you've used PbP somewhere?
because I've never hit that much progress using MaMa with so many stacks left.

As Rath explained it (can't remember original source), MaMa is used for picking up Tricks of the Trade procs for additional Precise Touches
-after- MaMa stacks is gone. I think it was misused somewhere.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Okay I don't understand the changes made to MaMa and FS. Did they raise the MaMa stacks or you've used PbP somewhere?
because I've never hit that much progress using MaMa with so many stacks left.

As Rath explained it (can't remember original source), MaMa is used for picking up Tricks of the Trade procs for additional Precise Touches
-after- MaMa stacks is gone. I think it was misused somewhere.

You seem really confused... First, there has not been any changes made to MaMa and FS. I have used 3x PBP (as shown on the chat box in pic 3). In fact, after the PBPs, I have used CS III and Observe+FocS as well, but I have skipped that picture, as it wasn't a point I was trying to make there. I then burnt off all my CP with Master's Mend II x2 one after another, which made absolutely no sense in a real crafting scenario. The whole purpose of this was just to create the scenario which I have plenty of MaMa stacks left but fewer than 15 CP. I was not actually trying to HQ anything.

In Rath's rotation, the main purpose of MaMa is not for picking up Tricks of Trades. It is to allow free Flawless Syn to be performed after 2x PBP, so that one can push progress to near completion before working on quality. But being able to pick up Tricks of Trades during MaMa is a bonus that should be done when it's available. In Rath's rotation, because one would have used Steady Hand and 2x PBP, so there's plenty of room for taking Trick of Trades for extra CP. In other rotations that use MaMa but not PBP, one would need to "create" room for CP gain by burning off CP with something, e.g. Inner Quiet. Comfort Zone should also be used during MaMa, and it should be activated to line up perfectly with the MaMa stacks. This way, when both CZ and MaMa falls off simultaneously, you can immediately re-apply CZ before starting to push quality.

In any case, if you're a level 70 crafter in Storm Blood, you should not be using Rath's rotation anymore.