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    Trying to get better as a RDM

    Hello, so I am trying to get better as the title suggests, but I really do not know what I am doing wrong. I want to be able to do the required DPS for the raid but I just cant seem to do it. I have a vid here so people can see what I am doing and what I am doing wrong. Thx for anyone willing to take the time to help me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id1CzkF3Dj8

    Extra: Tbh, I'm actually thinking of giving up and switching to healer. How hard is it? I haven't already tried because I don't do very well under pressure and I don't want people getting mad because I messed up my heals or healer dps D:
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    Evaline Hawkins
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    Don't give up! Red Mage seems more complicated than it is! Just practice! It is a new job after all haha
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    Ceallach Ruarc
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    For one thing, you shouldn't try to double weave Fleche and Contre Sixte. The animation lock slows down your global cooldown, and that's never good.

    I personally don't take Swiftcast at all on my red mage. I take Lucid Dreaming, Diversion, Apocatastasis, Addle and either Mana Shift or Erase depending on the fight. Dualcast is more than enough.

    I also only really use Corps-a-corps and Displacement for positioning. The main idea is you get in close (sometimes early to avoid mechanics), use your melee combo and Displacement to both get away and dodge. In Deltascape V1.0 (Savage), though, you want to be really careful with Displacement. You could go flying right off the edge and die.

    Manafication is mostly to add another melee burst, which includes Corps-a-corps and Displacement. You don't use it primarily for the recast reset, but for the mana doubling.

    I hope these tips help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyAveria View Post
    Don't give up! Red Mage seems more complicated than it is! Just practice! It is a new job after all haha
    Thx :3

    Quote Originally Posted by Ceallach View Post
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    I am not for sure what you mean by double weave. Can you explain?

    And yeah in learning parties I've derped and flew right off the edge, lel. It is so easy to misjudge your positionign in relation to the edge x_x
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    Well my reply was eaten due to being too long and my phone being dumb. So I'll just touch on the points:

    Clean up your crossbars
    Use acceleration more
    Manifaction for more melee combos
    Double weave (use 2 oGCDs inbetween GCDs) all but displacement if you have lower latency
    Don't stack spell speed (1k is more than enough)
    Walk into melee > displacement out > corps back in. more autos = 20-30 more dps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceallach View Post
    For one thing, you shouldn't try to double weave Fleche and Contre Sixte. The animation lock slows down your global cooldown, and that's never good.
    Quote Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha View Post
    I am not for sure what you mean by double weave. Can you explain?
    He means don't use both Fleche and Contre Sixte in the same GCD. Their animations are both long, Fleche a bit more so, and you'll end up delaying your next cast as much as a whole second if you try to do them both. Split them up into separate dualcasts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trespar View Post
    Double weaving can be done with a low ping.
    Fleche with a self buff or movement ability, sure. But the specific combination of Fleche and Contre-sixte is best avoided altogether.



    You spend an awful lot of time at range. You should spend most of your time in melee distance so you get auto attacks with each dualcast. Don't Displace unless you can dualcastspells>Corps-a-corps after, or you plan to run back to melee range during a dualcast. Decoupling your melee combo from your movement abilities will allow you to use them more often or use them for mechanically important movements. By being in melee range by default, you'll also have an easier time dealing with many mechanics, and will never be out of range of beneficial party AoEs.

    Use Embolden before starting your melee combo. Getting an extra 10% on E.Riposte is better than an extra 1.85% on a Verfinisher and maybe an extra 2% on a Verslowspell/Verfastspell before expiration.

    Avoid starting a melee combo with equal mana gauges. For example, at 1m57 you had 82|82. You could have done another dualcast for 91|93 without an overflow. If time-sensitive mechanics are not pressing you to burst, you don't necessarily have to melee combo immediately upon getting your mana high enough; postponing for one dualcast will usually be no worse, especially if you've decoupled your melee combo from your movement abilities anyway, as explained above.

    For similar reasons, don't Swiftcast>Verslowspell just so you can melee combo one GCD sooner unless it's a mechanically important burst step.



    If you're entertaining the idea of playing heals, it's worth learning at least one of the healer jobs even if you ultimately decide you want to continue RDMing. It might help give you a better idea of distances and effective caster positionings. If you're very nervous, just casually inform your party that it's your first time healing and they'll prolly be understanding.
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    Double weaving can be done with a low ping.

    OP just seems really slow at activating their abilities to do a proper double weave.
    Might have something to do with inefficient crossbars. I'm personally not familiar with playing this game with a controller, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
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    I see, interesting indeed. Thx for the double weave explanation.

    Yeah I see mage and I think range casting, not used to a caster class casting spells in melee (then again I guess I'm still used to BLM more than I thought, lel) plus I'm afraid of getting hit by non-telegraphed melee attacks some bosses have (Clamp anyone?).

    Also, why do you not want to start a melee combo with your mana bar even? I don't get that one. O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by Trespar View Post
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    Yeah, I am slow in activating abilities, I don't really have the dexterity I used to have from ten years ago. Plus my mind always jumbles up where my inputs are so I pause a moment to remember where the next ability is at. x_x
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    Trespar nailed the primary issue I saw, in that the hotbar configuration didn't seem to allow for the quick priority system Red Mage demands. Several points you lost several GCDs just do to swapping between them to get to what you needed.

    As a Keyboard Mouse user, I'm not entirely sure how well Hotbar swapping works for controllers, but I'd argue you should keep your primary spells (Jolt, Impact, Ver-all of them) on one section, the Melee stuff in another along with VerHoly/VerFlare, while putting the CDs and OGCDs where they feel most comfortable, while including a Hotbar you don't interact with somewhere that holds all of them for the purpose of tracking their cooldowns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
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    Oh, hot bar swapping works by holding R1 and then entering a button or dpad input. There is a total of 8 bars, one for each face button and cardinal direction on the controller input.

    Also does anyone know how to set up a separate hotbar so I can track my oGCDs (if it's even possible to do so on a controller setup)? I think that is one of my biggest issue because I cant tell when their timers have refreshed so I can cast them again immediately so I can minimize clipping.
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