Why so sadist ? I thought you learned from HW :(

[QT_Melon]

No, it's not, and it seems you're the one who doesn't know which is which.

Prove it. The onus is on the person making the accusation that SE is sadistic.

Because this thread shows otherwise (the complaining and hyperbole). It's obvious this was made to get people through main scenario, then people could go gather during downtime/queues but nowhere is there a push for people to make gear through two obvious facts. 1. You get the gear during main scenario 2. You get a drop each time you run the dungeon. It's not there to discriminate that someone is leveling their crafter/gatherer at the same time, it's there to push the player through main scenario.

[Niwashi]

Prove it. The onus is on the person making the accusation that SE is sadistic.

So why would you ask me to prove it only to immediately point out that the onus to do so isn't on me? I've never made any such accusation.

As to what I did claim, I've already provided the evidence of that, but since you don't seem to even know what I claimed, it's clear you never read enough to notice it.

[QT_Melon]

So why would you ask me to prove it only to immediately point out that the onus to do so isn't on me? I've never made any such accusation.

As to what I did claim, I've already provided the evidence of that, but since you don't seem to even know what I claimed, it's clear you never read enough to notice it.

You claimed it is the greatest reward of crafting for your main class while leveling. It isn't I just showed that it is for your alt because your main class going through the scenario is provided gear in 2 places. It's also pointed out that the battle class also gathers materials. The onus is still on you to prove it is the greatest reward when leveling your main. It simply is not.

It is to push you through the story, THEN you can go and get mats needed for your alt classes you are gearing.

Also subjectively speaking, it's not everyone's greatest reward. There are those that simply level up crafters to create furnishing items or make gil, regardless of their level.

[Niwashi]

As to what I did claim, I've already provided the evidence of that, but since you don't seem to even know what I claimed, it's clear you never read enough to notice it.

You claimed it is the greatest reward of crafting for your main class while leveling. It isn't I just showed that it is for your alt

Given that I never said anything about either main or alt classes, and that the only things I said about leveling are "It doesn't sound like the issue is about how to level" and "Whether [it] happens to be leveling or not is completely beside the point," you've got a really weird way of deciding what I claimed (as in you just made it up out of whole cloth). All you did is prove my point that you have no idea what we're even talking about.

[QT_Melon]

Given that I never said anything about either main or alt classes, and that the only things I said about leveling are "It doesn't sound like the issue is about how to level" and "Whether [it] happens to be leveling or not is completely beside the point," you've got a really weird way of deciding what I claimed (as in you just made it up out of whole cloth). All you did is prove my point that you have no idea what we're even talking about.

Umm... you decided to quote my posts in what I said that you need to worry about finishing MSQ first.

It's not the biggest reward of the game, but it's certainly the biggest reward of crafting. It's the reason that games include crafting and gathering as part of the game, so that those players who like the idea of making their own equipment and provisions get opportunities to do so.

Just because there's an alternative to crafting your gear for those who don't want to doesn't justify blocking those who do want to craft their equipment from doing so.

Which is in absolute context to me talking about MSQ.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4396829

Basically you're arguing about a main class, because your argument is about "Blocking" others from crafting gear while they level. You also said it was the biggest reward of crafting. Which is still objectionable. Not everyone cares to craft their own gear while leveling but it's certainly a bonus and definitely more relevant as you work on an alternate job. It's obviously in the game for those that do. However, many crafters are in it to make money and many are into it to make furniture or glamour. The game is trying to get you to finish MSQ first, and worry about crafting another time because not finishing MSQ has more consequences than making it a bit more difficult to craft your own gear (and possibly getting too sidetracked by doing so).

TL;DR

Please just finish MSQ and save yourself and others the headache. Wasting more time being salty about the situation, when the MSQ has more benefits overall.