The Healer Problem in PVP

[Krolja]

I know at least 2 monk mains who destroy everything they touch. Having them in your team is an easy win and healing on against them feels impossible. So there is obviously a way to carry as Dps otherwise those players wouldnt be in the top 100 with 66% win.

Living that sub 90 ping life. I can't play any melees with my 150+ ping, stuff just moonwalks through me during animations and cancels them all . At least Bard is faceroll, I guess.

[Mantrus]

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I disagree that matches 100% rely on healers. That's a dumb claim, but I do think that percent reliance is higher than any other role. Other roles can carry to some degree, but none carry harder than healer. 66% win rate on a DPS here or there doesn't compare to the numerous healers with the same or higher win rate.

If you think healers are even at the platinum level that's a misunderstanding. Healers aren't even at even the top 10 level, at least for Aether. Even if both healers keep teams alive, the more skilled healer can overwhelm the lesser by inducing Culling until the lesser cannot handle it.

[Giglamesh]

Healers are the most important for winning, but having the best healer doesn\\'t always result in a win.

Had a great match yesterday with 2 evenly matched groups. We finished with 2 deaths and lost, the other team finished with 1 death. Our dps was slightly behind the other team and thats why we lost.

I've seen plenty of times where poor dps is the reason for losing, especially with casters.

Its not always the healers fault and when you get into higher ranked matches, it seems to come down to individual matchups.

The lack of communication is the biggest killer of ranked play and is what leads most groups to losing. The teams that win more often seem to be on the same page with everyone else. For example, dps not bursting at proper times. Tanks stunning or silencing healers too early when dps aren\\'t even half health yet.

The higher tier players communicate a lot more and mark targets/ yell out and mark players to pick up medals, etc.

[Mirch]

Anybody who says that definitely never hit Platinum. As main Heal it is true that I easily carried myself into Platinum. But ever since I hit Platinum the matches against other healers were so even that u could tell who will win from the start by looking at the names of the dps. I know at least 2 monk mains who destroy everything they touch. Having them in your team is an easy win and healing on against them feels impossible. So there is obviously a way to carry as Dps otherwise those players wouldnt be in the top 100 with 66% win.

Anybody who is from eu/na wannabe forget there is something called teamwork, claiming that 100% of a match depends exclusively from healer is dumb.

[-IronWolf-]

Anybody who is from eu/na wannabe forget there is something called teamwork, claiming that 100% of a match depends exclusively from healer is dumb.

Yeah I admit it, 100% is a huge exaggeration. But there is no denying that matches depend on them quite a lot and it wasn't like this in previous seasons.
And btw I did make it to top 100 this season, the highest I got was 30 before I gave up. And you know there is a problem when there are only 2 or 3 healers playing and the queue times are huge. Nobody wants to heal because of how hard it it and how much matches depend on them.

[Daiwii]

I think a lot of players who think that Healers are some sort of solo carries should just play a few matches as Healer. You will soon realise how wrong you are when people keep running out of your line of sight with like 20% hp or picking up too many coins. Or even doing only 80k dps... making it impossible to win. Also it would help you improve by knowing the fight from the healer point of view...

[Mirch]

Yeah I admit it, 100% is a huge exaggeration. But there is no denying that matches depend on them quite a lot and it wasn't like this in previous seasons.
And btw I did make it to top 100 this season, the highest I got was 30 before I gave up. And you know there is a problem when there are only 2 or 3 healers playing and the queue times are huge. Nobody wants to heal because of how hard it it and how much matches depend on them.

Now too in top 100 the highest win rates are likely healers or drk players, for chaos for example top 10 is 7 healers and 3 tanks i think.

[Krolja]

Now too in top 100 the highest win rates are likely healers or drk players, for chaos for example top 10 is 7 healers and 3 tanks i think.

Last time I checked the Primal leaderboards it was almost entirely all Whm/Sch/Drk. The occasional DPS thrown in there, but I doubt that person climbed to top 100 as a DPS.

[LalaRu]

Last time I checked the Primal leaderboards it was almost entirely all Whm/Sch/Drk. The occasional DPS thrown in there, but I doubt that person climbed to top 100 as a DPS.

Another reason to separate the leaderboards to the role you used to climb the ladder.

[Krolja]

Another reason to separate the leaderboards to the role you used to climb the ladder.

True. At this point I'd just like to have a queue time that's less than ~40ish minutes to get a subpar healer that rages and spams Ignore Target on me when I die. Most fun I've ever had. Super long queue time, loss in ~6 minutes. Feels good.