Patch Notes Up

[Sandpark]

Ugh, potencies get nerfed which means having to spam more skills to kill stuff. One of the things I can't get on board with personally.

It's like trying to kill a mammoth with a little stick.

Oh wait... This is PvP only? If so overreaction.

[Bakabridget]

So this patch has basically nothing in it and yet the maintenance takes 8 hours? Is it just me or does FF14 have like way more downtime than other mmos? Are square really just incompetent? A few minor balance changes shouldn't take this long, and who even gives a fuck about pvp? I tried queueing for it for the first time yesterday and couldn't find a single match. It seems already dead and I'm not surprised, the pvp always did seem like miles behind wow's.

[Vahlnir]

So this patch has basically nothing in it and yet the maintenance takes 8 hours? Is it just me or does FF14 have like way more downtime than other mmos? Are square really just incompetent? A few minor balance changes shouldn't take this long, and who even gives a fuck about pvp? I tried queueing for it for the first time yesterday and couldn't find a single match. It seems already dead and I'm not surprised, the pvp always did seem like miles behind wow's.

It has way, way, WAY less downtime compared to most, because they are usually on top of major issues that could crash the game. I'd prefer they take 1 night every couple weeks to fix things or even emergency maintenance if needed if it means stable gameplay compared to the alternative.

[Legewiel]

So this patch has basically nothing in it and yet the maintenance takes 8 hours? Is it just me or does FF14 have like way more downtime than other mmos? Are square really just incompetent? A few minor balance changes shouldn't take this long, and who even gives a fuck about pvp? I tried queueing for it for the first time yesterday and couldn't find a single match. It seems already dead and I'm not surprised, the pvp always did seem like miles behind wow's.

Already explained on the last messages, it's infrastructure too!
And i give a fuck about pvp, it's really fun and I'm getting all my classes to 60 just to be able to wear all the garo equipments...
And i dunno what you did wrong, cause pvp is almost instant queue nowadays.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

So this patch has basically nothing in it and yet the maintenance takes 8 hours? Is it just me or does FF14 have like way more downtime than other mmos? Are square really just incompetent? A few minor balance changes shouldn't take this long, and who even gives a fuck about pvp? I tried queueing for it for the first time yesterday and couldn't find a single match. It seems already dead and I'm not surprised, the pvp always did seem like miles behind wow's.

I'd like to try to put this in perspective for you:


These are the balance changes that perhaps should've happened before they started Season 5 of the Feast. SE is on record saying that they didn't get enough data from the preseason to facilitate any balance changes (furthermore, it was because they were largely focused on making sure the raids were properly tuned), but decided to start Season 5 anyways. . .

Now imagine if that were the other way around. They balanced PvP then said "we didn't have enough data/ran out of time to balance the raids. Please try them anyways!" and simply left you to it for almost 2 months. How much of an outrage do you think the community would have? How bad would it be if there were major issues with Shirogane when it opens and they just say " We'll fix it later. Please enjoy housing in Shirogane"? Because THAT is what happened with PvP. You say who gives a fuck about PvP - clearly not you - but what about something you like in game? Imagine it was left needing attention and they didn't get to it in a timely manner, but expected you to just accept it and keep playing? (In fairness, they ARE human, they won't catch or fix everything right away or when we want it every time.) Imagine someone came along and made a statement as baseless as yours about something you like, and ask yourself if that sounds okay?

I won't mince words: Your way of thinking is VERY detrimental to the health of a game, and I for one am glad you aren't a part of the development team. If it's in the game and it needs a fix or adjustment, it's worth it, plain and simple. PvP has been largely neglected for the longest time, and now with 4.0, and the near sacrifice of what even the PvP community loved and enjoyed all along, they're trying to give it a more mass appeal and show some support. It's here and it's been here for a while, no matter how much anyone wants to hate it or claim it's dead. (Side note: If you were queueing Frontlines, you missed a fun event I started simply with a forum post over the weekend. If you were queueing for the Feast, you're a bit late to the party to try to jump in ranked matches as an unranked player, and 8v8 while different IS still VERY active, for better or worse, so I challenge your claims of it being dead - AS a player who enjoys it regularly.)

Now then, for the people who are looking forward to Royal Menagerie Extreme, Return to Ivalice, or even just Shirogane, tell THEM the patch "has nothing in it" when 4.1 hits, and see how well that's received.

[Krotoan]

So this patch has basically nothing in it and yet the maintenance takes 8 hours? Is it just me or does FF14 have like way more downtime than other mmos? Are square really just incompetent? A few minor balance changes shouldn't take this long, and who even gives a fuck about pvp? I tried queueing for it for the first time yesterday and couldn't find a single match. It seems already dead and I'm not surprised, the pvp always did seem like miles behind wow's.

It's just you.
Every patch isn't going to contain something you care about.
It sounds like you really like WoW, which has maintenance and patches about things you probably also don't care about.
Infrastructure maintenance is likely to prepare for the incoming 4.1 patch and the cross server friending that will be happening.

[Jelly_Baby]

So this patch has basically nothing in it and yet the maintenance takes 8 hours? Is it just me or does FF14 have like way more downtime than other mmos? Are square really just incompetent?

It's 8 hours for a patch that slightly tweaks a few stats and fixes like 2 bugs. it's simply something that shouldn't take anywhere near 8 hours.

Could you please give me a list of the games you have developed and give me an estimated time your games are offline due to maintenance. Clearly you know how to develop a game better than SE.

who even gives a fuck about pvp?

Well, obviously people are asking for changes otherwise they wouldn't implement them, would they?

There are clearly more changes that are behind the scenes that SE doesn't have to mention to warren an 8 hour down time, this game wasn't created for 1 person, you.

[Bakabridget]

I feel like WoW could get this patch out in 2 hours and you'd probably be able to play while it's going on too.

[Vahlnir]

I feel like WoW could get this patch out in 2 hours and you'd probably be able to play while it's going on too.

Even their standard maintenances take 3-4. Hotfixes they generally apply without anyone realizing it happened though. Their next patch, 7.3, comes out tomorrow and it's going to take 8 hours for them to complete. Chances are the game will crash or there will be login issues, prompting them to take the game down again for at least another hour to stabilize it. Wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last.

[Remedi]

I feel like WoW could get this patch out in 2 hours and you'd probably be able to play while it's going on too.

wow is and was nowhere as stable as this game generally is