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    Hestzhyen's Avatar
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    The difficulty is just right. If you have a group of people who aren't on the ball then of course you're going to fail- it's the FINAL BOSS and he's very eager to have a no-holds-barred showdown featuring his demi-god powers and the WoL's pluck (and choice in friends). I've been more groups than have made it than not. Many of them were a struggle to clear with but it was a very satisfying thing to reach the end after wiping. The group needs to be willing to learn and willing to try again- a prerequisite for any kind of video game out there. If Shinryu's too tough for some people then they need to practice, plain and simple. That's how you get better and overcome challenges in games.

    A large part of it is the healer burden of the fight is higher than other similar trials. Usually there's moderate down-time for healers to regen mana, do safe resses, and DPS a bit. Shinryu has us constantly on our toes watching for the next mechanic and saving people who screwed up. People who coasted through up until now got a rude awakening for sure. If both healers aren't ready to hit the ground running then it will be a bad time for everyone.

    I, for one, am pleased that SE thinks players can handle rapid-fire mechanics in regular duties though. It's so much better than them assuming we're getting matched with the worst players out of the Tales from DF thread.
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    JunseiKei's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legewiel View Post
    I already cleared it on the week it were released, but i agree on nerfing it too! we have a lot of casuals and they should be allowed to see the rest of story too. They're part of the paying customers and the game needs all of them to keep playing.
    If not nerf at least add that echo thing in there, so if you want to clear without nerf do a one shot, if you have trouble clearing it you go stacking echo until you're able to do the clear.
    For the people that is like "omg they'll ruin my fun", don't worry the ex version is coming soon on 4.1 so you'll be able to show how awesome you are.
    Being a casual player need not mean bad player by default. Casual used to mean someone that cannot devote the time to learn a complex fight. Shinryu is a far cry from a complicated fight. All echo does is increase healing, HP and damage dealt. In otherwords, it won't stop those that just flat out fail the few mechanics that can kill you. Dying to a mechanic forces you to learn it, rather than just barely squeeze by. Keep just barely passing and you'll have other people being forced to compensate for your screw-ups. Bad players are players who just want a clear without learning anything.

    Personally, I'd say Royal Menagerie is fine. What people tend to mess up are the "rapid fire" mechanics (there are far worse offenders to these types of fights than Royal) and the fact that it's "random" which mechanics Shinryu will do. The only reason I could lend any kind of validation to those saying it's as hard as an extreme trial is because most, if not all, of the primals have no randomness in them- those are generally only found in savage raids. Unlike savage, however, there is a decent time between each mechanic in Shinryu. Unlike Lakshmi where DPS might get a mechanic and then not worry about anything for a minute or two before they need to pay attention again.

    If anything, I'd say Royal Menagerie is on par with Hallowed Diablos found in Dun Scaith. Only done with 8 people instead of 24.
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
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