Please scale the difficulty of Royal Menagerie

[missybee]

And nice needless jab at calling players no lifers.

I somehow missed OP saying that...

At the risk of sounding like somewhat of a braggy-boots, I one-shot both Susano and Lakshmi. This translates into very little time spent trying to get clears on those extreme primals.

OMG TOTAL NO-LIFER, REEE.

[hydralus]

I just want to say that it's clearable with 2 decent tanks and a single healer. Long as you're killing the tail every time it pops you don't even need DPS. I know this because I've personally seen 3 or 4 of the DPS dead for almost the entire duration of the fight and still cleared.

There's no stacking damage buff/soft enrage.

As an aside, if they do nerf it, I won't shed too many tears. I had my fun with it.

[LineageRazor]

I just want to say that it's clearable with 2 decent tanks and a single healer. Long as you're killing the tail every time it pops you don't even need DPS. I know this because I've personally seen 3 or 4 of the DPS dead for almost the entire duration of the fight and still cleared.

There's no stacking damage buff/soft enrage.

As an aside, if they do nerf it, I won't shed too many tears. I had my fun with it.

Actually, there IS a soft enrage for Shinryu. Eventually, enough squares will be destroyed by Shinryu's tail that a Tidal Wave is guaranteed to knock you off the edge (unless you have something like Tempered Will to avoid the push). I was with a group last night via Mentor Roulette; DPS just couldn't stay out of the bad so we were pretty much running the fight with just tanks and healers. Was a long grind, and eventually there was no safe place to stand for Tidal Wave. Eventually that Tidal Wave came - and we barely managed a win anyway, thanks to dots and the Paladin using Tempered Will. Everyone else was off the edge, though.

Still, to address the original poster, these kinds of situations aren't very common. Most of the time when I wind up in Shinryu, folks are more than skilled enough to cover for one or two who struggle. Even at its current difficulty, Shinryu is quite doable, even by casual players.

[MoroMurasaki]

I have not seen a party disband/quit this since maybe the first week of July.

Also on a personal note I absolutely love this fight, like every single detail. I don't think some people apparently having issues is a reason to nerf it. You can clear it with some passable DPS and half of your tanks/healers being on the ball.

That is not an EX primal.

[CelestialWyrm]

Note that OP has yet to reply to anyone's criticisms, must have realized their reasoning was flawed.
I also cleared this on my first go with having no idea what to do (no videos, didn't even know the fight existed). I wiped many times on EX primals even with video guides.
I don't have any experience with pre-SB primals (I started the game after SB), RM is definitely beatable within a few tries even with a pug group. I quite enjoyed the step up in challenge from the MSQ.
But again, still very doable.

[Eli85]

As others have mentioned: Royal Menagerie is fine as-is; no adjustments are needed.

Also: Extreme Primals are not hard either. Sure, they got one-shot mechanics, but it doesn't take that long to pick up. The true difficulty is finding 7 other players who can pay attention. So some patience is required to get the right groups.

Oh and before you say anything, OP, I work three jobs and I can still down them in PUGs. So let's not say "it's too hard for people who have a life."

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Come on man, we're level 70 now. Why would we want a level 50 challenge?

I get that it may be difficult for some, and that effectively being gated from endgame by it would be frustrating, but it's literally a mashup of old boss mechanics and things you'd dealt with all along on the way up to it. That begs the question whether people struggling with it were paying attention all along or not? If it suddenly threw all new, never before seen mechanics at players, that'd be one thing, but if someone is unable to handle the combination of all they've dealt with previously (which usually makes sense for a final challenge), the fault really lies with them.

[eaudaemon]

Wrong on all Accounts

Lets face facts: Royal Menagerie, in terms of difficulty, easily is on the level of some Ex Primals.

Not even close to Ex in terms of difficulty.

The thing though is: Many people never do Ex Primals. They have no interest in that, they don't have the time to practice their FFXIV job endlessly, they have, you know, lives.

You don't have to do Ex to finish Royal Managerie, its a recap of mechanics that you already seen with little variations.

Yeah, I can hear already all you really expert players say "but it's not hard, leave it as it is" and "but the finale of the MSQ should be hard", just as "but once you get better gear in a patch or two everyone can faceroll it" or even the atrocious "git gud".

I'm no Expert player, but I finished it just fine and I finished this with only ilvl 290 the free ones you get from finishing the Job MSQ

But no. There is a considerable part of the player base who MASSIVELY struggles with Menagerie, and that is even without disabilities or health issues or latency coming into play, that make some players UNABLE to ever beat something of that difficulty, period. And telling people to wait until they get better gear, which is difficult to get if you don't finish MSQ, also not okay.

And you got this data where? Because almost all of the people I talked too finished it already, sure the learning curve was high, but persistence got them through it.

People who play FFXIV only casually (the majority, and that.is.okay) also deserve to enjoy the MSQ instead of having this massive source of stress and frustration at the end of the story line.

Casual player here, and I enjoyed it pretty much, and again "Majority"? where are you getting all this data?

Don't get me wrong here, I managed Menagerie just fine, but the amount of wipes I see in there is ridiculous. And I know people who due to health issues are all but kept from finishing MSQ thanks to this. Not.Okay.

Wiping is part of the game, if you and friend can't handle it, then maybe a more mellow game is the game for you.

Therefore I think it would be good to tune down Royal Menagerie for MSQ, and keep the current difficulty as a "Hard Mode" option, maybe even to chose from "normal" and "hard mode" right away as you enter it the first time to finish your MSQ. That way those who want a challenge to finish the story of SB can have that, and all the players who would struggle with hard mode (or unable to finish it at all) can enjoy the end of the MSQ without stressing out or quitting out of sheer frustration.

Nope, no and Hell to the NO, finishing the Royal Menagerie is the best part of the MSQ, it would cheapen the achievement if people are just breezing through it.

[347SPECTRE]

During the first few weeks of the expansion, it was a chore because not everyone could do mechanics, but now a days it's usually a walk in the park. Also I know from experience all you need is one decent tank and one decent healer to clear it, along with good dps, doesn't have to be perfect either.
https://youtu.be/4HWMY3fWiPQ

[AlexionSkylark]

every time I went to Royal menagerie, we killed it around the 3rd or 4th try.

Now if you're saying people GIVE UP AFTER ONE TRY and then blame the content's level of difficulty or the "useless scrubs" they're running with, well... that's not on SE to fix. Sorry.