The rising 2017 - Discrimination

[HyoMinPark]

i would love to know where you looked - because i looked at the actual word Disability - not the way it can be used. . Like for that basket ball thing that is pathetic in my opinion. People who play basket ball and are only 6ft tall are not disabled.

Sigh... I said I was done arguing with you, but since you are insistent on saying that your definition of "disability" is the correct one....

A simple Google search of "disability definition":

dis·a·bil·i·ty
ˌdisəˈbilədē
noun
noun: disability; plural noun: disabilities
1. a physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.
- synonyms: handicap, disablement, incapacity, impairment, infirmity, defect, abnormality; condition, disorder, affliction
"my disability makes getting into bed a slow process"
2. a disadvantage or handicap, especially one imposed or recognized by the law.
"he had to quit his job and go on disability"

Disability as defined by Merriam-Webster:

1. a physical, mental, cognitive, or developmental condition that impairs, interferes with, or limits a person's ability to engage in certain tasks or actions or participate in typical daily activities and interactions; also : impaired function or ability

2.
a (1) : an impairment (such as a chronic medical condition or injury) that prevents someone from engaging in gainful employment
(2) : an impairment (such as spina bifida) that results in serious functional limitations for a minor
b : a program providing financial support to a person affected by disability; also : the financial support provided by such a program

3. a disqualification, restriction, or disadvantage economic disabilities
4. lack of legal qualification to do something

"Disability" as defined by Oxford Dictionaries:

1. A physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.
2. A disadvantage or handicap, especially one imposed or recognized by the law.

And, finally, your "definition" of what constitutes as a disability:

Yeah you are right your situation was not real - you were not forced to go to a REAL sea - I had to do an event or try to do an event which made me face my REAL disability - Also Problem, mine is a real disability not a fear. I understand you have a fear but it isn't a medically recognized disability so no matter how much you want the situations to be the same they wont be.

Also to be honest I'm not sure what your aim is all you have done is say how my disability is the same as a Fear when it isn't - a fear you can possibly get over through therapy - a disability is there for life. Also i am not attacking people - i am just making a point, and saying that a certain disability which is easy to cater for was not catered for and the event was unnecessarily hard for people who have that disability.

That is a Phobia they are not a medical condition they are not a disability because of the fact that they can be cured. Disability can not be. i sympathize for him but it wasn't a real situation.

OMG Definition of disability - A physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities. One that can not be cured and will remain with that person through out their life time. This is from the Oxford Dictionaries (LOL)

Nowhere in any of the three definitions I provided (with sources) does it state that a disability has to be a permanent, incurable and non-treatable condition. My definitions include your Oxford defintion, which, lo-and-behold, there is no attachment to the end of it dictating that a "disability" is only that which can be considered incurable and non-treatable. Which brings me back to my original point that physical disabilities are not the only form of disability. Mental and cognitive disabilities count as well, and this includes things such as: phobias, anxiety disorders, mood disorders, eating disorders, somatoform disorders, learning disorders, personality disorders...the list goes on. Since you know so much about dyslexia, you should know that it is classified as a cognitive/learning disability, and is recognized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition as a Specific Learning Disorder. All of the disorders listed in the DSM-5 are medically recognized conditions, and can be considered as disabilities, especially in the legal sense of the term.

I would also like to add that just because some of these disorders can be treated (e.g., with the use of medication and/or therapy) does not mean that they can necessarily be "cured". Some people struggle with anxiety disorders, mood disorders, phobias, etc., for the entirety of their lives. Does that seem "curable" to you? Or are the only disabled individuals the ones that aren't "cured" of their phobias and/or disorders the only considered truly disabled, where as those who are "cured" of theirs are not?

The fact that you continue to insist that only permanent, incurable, and non-treatable disabilities are the only kind of applicable disabilities is proof of your own ignorance. I would suggest you educate yourself on all the conditions that apply under the term "disability" before coming here to bash other's conditions, and insist that yours are more important than theirs.


The tools for you to solve the puzzle may not be in-game, but they are still there. Stop being so prideful and turn to others for help if you're struggling. Like Makasase said, just because you refuse to make use of the tools there (in-game or outside of it) does not mean that they are not there. And while we're on that topic, since you keep insisting there are in-game tools to provide for other's disabilities, let's return to the discussion of colorblind individuals. There is no colorblind mode implemented in-game for FFXIV. The only "colorblind mode" options are provided by external or third-party software. So please explain to me how SE and FFXIV are catering to colorblind individuals when there are no in-game tools implemented to assist them. While FFXIV does have in-game tools to assist deaf individuals (a simple glance at the Accessibility options under System Configuration shows that the only options are visual cues for the audibly impaired), it does not have tools to assist with conditions such as colorblindness.

The way a lot of people learn to live with and cope with their disabilities is to accept them, and find ways to go about their lives with the conditions--not demanding that they receive special treatment for them, or feeling like they are entitled to such special treatment more so over other individuals. Others with dyslexia have came to this thread and told you already that they had no issues with the simple, optional piece of content that was The Rising puzzle, yet you still continue to act as if you speak for the entire dyslexic community. You had troubles; that's okay. But perhaps you would do better to accept it and move on rather than come here and complain, whilst simultaneously attacking others that would be far more sympathetic to your cause if you weren't so abrasive about the entire situation, or if you didn't sit there and say that "your disability is curable and/or didn't involve a real place, so it isn't real and doesn't count as a disability."

I would suggest looking up the legal definitions for disability, as well as reading up on the plethora of information that is available out there regarding it, before coming here to preach about what a disability actually is.

[Tanathya]

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Well done. This person's just insulting left and right though, they can't be reasoned with, as proven. This is the first time I see someone should be banned from the forums, for being as offensive towards others probable disabilities as they are.

[frostmagemari]

Yeah you are right your situation was not real - you were not forced to go to a REAL sea - I had to do an event or try to do an event which made me face my REAL disability - Also Problem, mine is a real disability not a fear. I understand you have a fear but it isn't a medically recognized disability so no matter how much you want the situations to be the same they wont be.

Wow.. the arrogance and self-righteousness is overwhelming.
Phobias are just as debilitating when you get in the right situation. You don't understand phobias because you apparently don't suffer from them.

Furthermore, you were not forced to do a puzzle. You wanted to do the quest and voluntarily went into the situation. You were not forced to do the quest and could have left at any time; you were perfectly able to not do the content and would have not been impeded with progression in the game.

[LunarEmerald]

Quit making excuses and playing the victim.

[Vahlnir]

I myself had to come to the forums for a hint, and when I did I pretty much kicked myself because it was so obvious. It's a puzzle, not discrimination. Why does everything have to be about discrimination? I don't wanna live on this planet anymore...

[Lyrai_Celestine]

Holy Moly... 10 pages of this discussion... I cannot bear to read the rest of the article...

I already see the OP did their best to deal with the problem on the first page; and I'm sure that the problem's already solved by now, and even then it's only a one-time problem. Perhaps it's the OP's fault for calling it "discrimination"... do be careful next time.

We should be helping them to overcome their problems, not to play victim, discriminate or dramatize our beloved players. Come now, let's calm ourselves down. Let us not forget the that we are a healthy community and do our part.

[HyoMinPark]

Holy Moly... 10 pages of this discussion... I cannot bear to read the rest of the article...

I already see the OP did their best to deal with the problem on the first page; and I'm sure that the problem's already solved by now, and even then it's only a one-time problem.

We should be helping them to overcome their problems, not to play victim or dramatize. Come now, let's calm ourselves down. Let us not forget the that we are a healthy community and do our part.

I think we would have been far more receptive to that if the OP had not been so abrasive towards everyone that responded to this thread, and was basically saying that their disability was more important than someone else's because someone else's was potentially curable/treatable. They also stated that they did not want to ask for help, or accept any sort of help from the playerbase with regards to the puzzle. I have no qualms helping people, but don't bite the hand that's trying to feed you.

The only one that was playing the victim here was the OP, to be quite frank. This community is extremely nice and helpful (in my experience), but I don't think they would feel inclined to help someone who talked to them the way OP talked to some of us in this thread.

[SenorPatty]

Holy Moly... 10 pages of this discussion... I cannot bear to read the rest of the article...

I already see the OP did their best to deal with the problem on the first page; and I'm sure that the problem's already solved by now, and even then it's only a one-time problem. Perhaps it's the OP's fault for calling it "discrimination"... do be careful next time.

We should be helping them to overcome their problems, not to play victim, discriminate or dramatize our beloved players. Come now, let's calm ourselves down. Let us not forget the that we are a healthy community and do our part.

Perhaps the vicious circle could come to end if people did not resort to that first when they encounter a problem. First accept that mmos cannot accomadate all types of players and eventually you'll find aspects that trip/displeases you. Then work/find a solution by asking the community without prejudice.

But no. I guess its easier to shout than to speak.

[FateAudax]

This thread has so much "self-entitlement" in it, that I no longer see where should "discrimination" fits in. OP, people cope with their disability, they don't sit and whine for the world to revolve around them.

[HitoKirin]

millennial's and their "omg if i don't get everything I want even if it means you don't" attitudes.

Maybe you could see if Bernie Sanders could force SE to take all the hard core raiders gear and divide it evenly among everyone, even if they don't raid.

If that doesn't work you could call them all Nazi's or racist and tear down the statues in all the towns.

and if you don't get the gear then you could protest in town because they are all mean and your not , then physically assault everyone with your cellphone out ready for them to throat punch you and record it, then you could post the last three seconds of the video on the forums and play the victim card.

that's pretty much how everything else works.

good luck