1.20a Archer Damage Test [Att vs Dex vs Pie vs Str]

[Deli]

Please read #21 first before you continue to read this one...

Hi all,

It has bought my attention that I need to build my archer suit and super unbalanced matiera pricing. SE alredy said Str also contribute to attack. However, Tier IV STR materia cost 30k when I build my gears... So, I decided to do the test.

in summory:



Google doc is here

For damage, Str ~Dex ~ Pie in this test.

So, if you can't afford to build double meld attack gloves, I think str is also a good all-around DoW gloves while the cost is 1/3-1/5. It is really interesting the market become this way which people follow each other blindly and do something they don't seem to understand. But, on well that's how real life is...

So, dex still have acc bonus. Pie has that possible shadowbind benefit.
For att, maybe it has the same relationship as previous attack magic potency (AMP) vs int relationship, att raise the base damage, str increase more when there is combo damage bonus on other class.

So, if you can't afford att, pie, dex materia, str is also a good choice for your damage. ^^

[Deceptistar]

seems to me SE pretty much crapped on the bonus traits of archer making the hulk and muscle (attack/str) the main modifiers? i hope i am wrong tho :x

[DoctorMog]

I cant even comprehend your google doc its so poorly organized.

I won't even try.

Ill just assume you didn't have a high enough quantity of shots and the number of variables you had were too many to get a real sample.

Hell its bound to show up somewhere in this thread.



On a serious note;
Thanks for the work at trying to figure out the modifiers XD

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

STR is not a good choice. Please get better data before all the people who don't know better stack STR and suck against mobs higher level than them.

You can't sample on things that you cap out on in terms of attributes. If you notice your STR and DEX stack results showing similar results on Lv40-42 mobs, well, that's because your STR/DEX is against or over their VIT.

STR doesn't really add Attack. It is more of a supporting role for your attack. Higher STR against mobs with high VIT pushes your attack through to score higher and more consistent rates of dmg per hit.

In other words, your basic MMO attribute modifier. STR is lows and Attack is Highs.

In Archer's case, DEX acts as the STR modifier.

[fusional]

STR is not a good choice. Please get better data before all the people who don't know better stack STR and suck against mobs higher level than them.

You can't sample on things that you cap out on in terms of attributes. If you notice your STR and DEX stack results showing similar results on Lv40-42 mobs, well, that's because your STR/DEX is against or over their VIT.

STR doesn't really add Attack. It is more of a supporting role for your attack. Higher STR against mobs with high VIT pushes your attack through to score higher and more consistent rates of dmg per hit.

In other words, your basic MMO attribute modifier. STR is lows and Attack is Highs.

In Archer's case, DEX acts as the STR modifier.

^

this is my concern, as well. while i appreciate the effort and applaud anyone for trying to work this out (i've been too busy/lazy to contribute much in this realm, myself)- i just don't know that we can trust any results unless they're thoroughly vetted on like-level mobs. ie: hundreds/thousands of attacks on mobs of a consistent level (preferably 50 or higher)

[carraway]

Did you really perform 30 shots against a range of different-level mobs (when we know that dLVL is the biggest contributor to damage results) and then expect to be able to analyze those results with confidence?

Your data is worthless.

[Deli]

Did you really perform 30 shots against a range of different-level mobs (when we know that dLVL is the biggest contributor to damage results) and then expect to be able to analyze those results with confidence?

Your data is worthless.

Did you?

The reason I did this test is I want to figure out which gloves I should use between my att and dex gloves. Since I made a pair of str gloves, I tested it all together.
There are something about str to archers. However, seems no one on the forum seems to know str is a damage factor of the archer's range damage. and look at my post, the words I used there is very careful that I said "For damage, Str ~Dex ~ Pie in this test." I'm not that type of cocky person like to use a single evidence and agree or deny everything.

[carraway]

Did you?

The reason I did this test is I want to figure out which gloves I should use between my att and dex gloves. Since I made a pair of str gloves, I tested it all together.
There are something about str to archers. However, seems no one on the forum seems to know str is a damage factor of the archer's range damage. and look at my post, the words I used there is very careful that I said "For damage, Str ~Dex ~ Pie in this test." I'm not that type of cocky person like to use a single evidence and agree or deny everything.

I actually have done testing that is of a far more significant order than 30 shots against mid-level targets without a control, without any kind of uniformity or rigorous methodology. However, it's still not significant enough to show off a spreadsheet that declares STR is analogous to DEX and PIE (spoilers: it isn't).

Do a controlled test against L50 or higher targets, using the exact same level on your target, with hundreds of shots, if you want to establish something. What you're providing is potentially more detrimental than beneficial to others' understanding of how stats work.

[Deli]

+1 to you XD

I actually have done testing that is of a far more significant order than 30 shots against mid-level targets without a control, without any kind of uniformity or rigorous methodology. However, it's still not significant enough to show off a spreadsheet that declares STR is analogous to DEX and PIE (spoilers: it isn't).

Do a controlled test against L50 or higher targets, using the exact same level on your target, with hundreds of shots, if you want to establish something. What you're providing is potentially more detrimental than beneficial to others' understanding of how stats work.

aww I was expecting some data, link or something
/sad

[Kidkaze]

This isn't even in the right forum. Go read this thread though - http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t....18-and-Beyond