Endgame Content, Competitive Atmosphere

[Andrien]

you guys need to chill out. The best possible remedy for this issue is to make HNM trigger popped.

Example, you farm for pop triggers in instance raids and let them drop from the NM's and bosses. The effects, everyone participating in content and working towards a goal. No silly dumb camping and afk'ing wasting time for hours.

edit: in addition, let the triggers be key items or rare/ex, untradeable that disappears upon use.



I also like limbus and this crystal tower i read about sounds interesting.

[Fouluryu]

My favorite content from FFXI was limbus, it provided a quality gil sink, had drops along the way for farming, had a tiered drop system for each "run" leading up to a boss type finish for each run. The time cap was 60min. giving you a nice event every few days to look forward too. The final boss fights were VERY entertaining although not rediculously difficult they did force you to put in much more effort then our current ifrit/moogle. Ultima was extraordinarily difficult with draw in/hate reset and that crazy AoE. Yes you could do this with up to 18 ppl making it more of a large scale activity but if you were the most highly skilled of player you could actually solo/duo farm about 90% of it almost right up to the final boss.

This is why I said the current coffers should have added value I can see the coffers being more entertaining when you have to weigh your time invested for the outcome. I could see doing these with a few low man groups if their was more value to the drops then just town gear trash.

I agree with the OP but I wont agree with having more gil sink as it is. Don't need a new wave of RMT being introduced to something they can sell (i.e. pops, currency, etc).

[Splice]

I agree with the OP but I wont agree with having more gil sink as it is. Don't need a new wave of RMT being introduced to something they can sell (i.e. pops, currency, etc).

I would have to disagree. We need more gil sinks and RMT will exists whether you do it or not.

[CrstyCaptin]

Not interested in another 21-24 hour repop NM with all the 1337 gear so people can spend $3k on a bot and gloat about it. Those days need to be done. No more 'endgame' content where over the course of your entire play time you end up 'standing around trying to claim' 80% of the time instead of actually fighting. Structured trigger NMs like sky/sea would do fine. And let's exclude the "Just killed a jailer and he didn't drop the next pop". That crap was wack. I'm sure Yoshi will do a fine job come 2.0 for combat/battle and provide a good challenge. I'm just not expecting anything even decent until these crappy servers are tossed out the window.

[Treach]

Nasa was just for idiots who couldn't sync app properly on their own, it never gave a better success rate, it just auto synced everyone's claim time for them. $1500 or putting delays in vent comments, hard choice, good thing I got it for free lol. Turn and Burn though...that one was epic, and I could see a bot like that actually working on 2.0 release due to the current lack of claim delay on every mob.

[NoctisUmbra]

Personally, yes, I think crafting bots are worse because the affect the entire server equally. More crafters at lv50 means less room for legit crafters to make a profit. The same goes for DoL. And it's likely that the legit crafters, miners, fishers and botanists got to 50 way after the bots did, which means even less of a chance for them to squeeze into the market and find a nice niche.

You're missing my point, though. No bots should be acceptable, period. I just find it funny that many don't care about the crafting/harvesting bots but completely rage at the notion of claim bots. If that's not the definition of irony, I don't know what is. People say one thing but mean another.

Hell, if they can make a "enter-spam-friendly" crafting system (very, very easy for anyone to write their own bot, or just afk turbo controller), then they sure as hell can make competitive endgame content. A bot is a bot is a bot, no matter which way you slice it. They should be dealt with by force, not evasive tactics because that's what got us in the situation we're in right now.

I don't care for botting of any form. Just saying if FFXIV has claim-botting in its future, that's likely the end for me.

[Treach]

Name one game where you can't cheat. I bet you can't.

Beer pong and flip cup.

[Zanfire]

Beer pong and flip cup.

also bumper cars...NO RULES...RULES!

anyways like the over 40 people who like the OP...i agree 100%
The main jist and likely future of this games endgame until late 2012 seems to be primals and 25+ and 45+ dungeons over and over. And yes RMT are already here, and if this game gets better, there will be a buttload more, reguardless of what content we have.

[tachikoma]

Rather then arguing over RMT in a thread requesting endgame variety and content lets stay on track. If you have no desire for taking part in a diverse endgame environment then stop posting in this thread. If you do have suggestions then please post them up. I like all forms of endgame including trigger pops/instance/raid/HNM/etc I would like to hear from the devs that they want to add many forms of endgame and that the current excuse for endgame that we have now lolmoogle and ifrit are a joke compared to the complex intense future. And if this is going to become another one of the MMOs for hte kiddie crowd that offers no real challenges then this is not the game for me.

[tachikoma]

If the devs came out and said "we plan to introduce many forms of endgame, it is a priority that we provide challenging content to all groups of players. We are going to implement XYZ for 2.0 we are going to have many free roaming HNM's that require large scale player involvement and strategy to tackle. We are going to introduce a RELIC system for the player who wishes to put in years of work for a very long term goal" this would make me a FFXIV fan and player for life.

tldr: I want content that is more then a spammable 5min. zerg where I can't bring my mule in to the fight and come out w/o a death.