Is Susano Axe better than Lost Allagan Axe?

[xvshanevx]

Was playing around this morning with my new Lost Allagan Battleaxe and felt as though I was doing about the same damage as me Susano axe.

So I went to Stone, Sky, Sea to go test both axes. For both runs I stayed in Delieverace and only did Butchers Block combo with no food or pots on the v3s dummy. I also used the SSS site to check DPS.

Susano Axe: 35% health left at 1420 dps

Lost Allagan Axe: 36% health left at 1390 dps.

I also did some AA testing on the dummies at the house, and one of my FC mates stated me being higher with the 320 axe as well.

Any other WARs out there notice this? I thought the added WD and STR would be a big enough boost to damage that going from CRIT/DET to DET/TEN wouldn't be noticeable.

Also, for those heavy minded defensive tank players, it only adds about 400 HP, so that's not even that great.

I seriously feel cheated, 7 weeks and 1000 tomes for almost no difference...

[Deceptus]

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That's because the Tome + item weapons are for more casual players.

[Zumi]

It will make more of a difference once you upgrade it to 340

[Rawrz]

Without being able to track your crit and direct hit rates you'll never know. Partly why SSS is a poor judge for something like this.

That's because the Tome + item weapons are for more casual players.

Tome weps are always a hit or a miss. Their substats are what causes them to be Bis or flop.

[xvshanevx]

1000 tomes for 400 HP.

That's because the Tome + item weapons are for more casual players.

Still, though, +1 WD and 16 STR? That should be better than any 320 weapon. If not, then why even have ilevels? And why make the items so damn hard to get.

It will make more of a difference once you upgrade it to 340

True, but my static is just now progressing on Library to Animal Farm for VS3, so it'll be at most 5 weeks until I can get the item to upgrade, and that is if we clear this week.

Without being able to track your crit and direct hit rates you'll never know. Partly why SSS is a poor judge for something like this.

I wanted to use SSS so as to not draw ire form the forums mods, but someone on my server tracked me for an hour to tell me the information, and I will post it here.

Naked:
Allagan Axe: 111dps, 175 hits
Susaon Axe: 106dps, 175 hits
Allagan axe does about 4.5% more damage.

Current Gear:
Allagan Axe: 487dps, 175 hits
Susaon Axe: 476dps, 175 hits
Allagan axe does about 2.3% more damage.

Beast Guage 50:
Allagan Axe: 535dps, 175 hits
Susano Axe: 537dps, 175 hits
Susano axe does about 0.3% more damage.

Beast Guage 100:
Allagan Axe: 549dps, 175 hits
Susano Axe: 547dps, 175 hits
Allagan axe does about 0.4% more damage.

The 7 crystalloids are not much of an issue, but I seriously think getting the chest and something else would've been a better route then going the weapon, and feel as though I have throw away 1000 tomes for at least the 6-8 next weeks. (Unless my static picks it up and we can get past vs4... huh.)

I mean, for being 10 ilvls higher, +1 wd and +16 str, costing at 1000 tomes, ya, I think going either pants or chest would be better. This is so disappointing.

[MauvaisOeil]

While all stats are scaling at a faster rate since 4.0, but not that much, and especially not WD.

While jumping from, let's say, 260 to 270 weapon, we got 13 STR and 1 WD, which was a 7.7% increase of strength and 1.2% in WD.

Here you upgrade from 320 to 330 and get 1 WD and 16 STR, which is a 6% increase in strength and 1.03% in WD.

But more important : Theses are raw gains from item to item, but their true influence will show depending of your actual stats . If you get from 1000 to 1010 strength, you will get a 1% increase in dps which can results, let's say, of 15 more DPS (if you were doing 1500). If you get from 1010 to 1020, you will get 15 more DPS as well, but since you were already doing 1515 now, it will be less than 1%, and so, and so.

Overall, the change will feel less impactfull. Maybe the main stat scaling is too low, but the weapon damage scaling beeing quite tight (we are speaking in rounded numbers around 100, there is little room for ajustement). If they keep the current rate of +1 every 10 ilvl increase, the gain will remain linear while the overall increase will be logarythmic, meaning you will feel the WD effect less and less with every gear upgrade.

That's why your naked values show a substantial increase, as no stat means the +STR will mean a bigger impact on your very low values.

It seems FFxiv's damage formula lies around WD*Mainstat factoring some kind of other calculations, that means if WD and main stat don't grow at equal speed and with a non linear increase rate, one will overshadow the other, while upgrade will feel less and less impactfull, to the point new content will be done extremely undergeared by skillfull players, as every upgrade won't change much.

[BluexBird]

Don't go for the weapon. It is a waste. Even if you are a casual player, you will eventually be able to do V4S sooner or later, at which point you will end up replacing your axe. Or if you want to go for the axe, it should be the last thing you ever get.

If you're going the casual route for the 340 axe, you need 1000 tomes plus 4 weeks of V3S farming (assuming don't just get lucky and end up with the 1/8 drop). Except those 4 weeks' worth of tomes can be use to upgrade something else that won't get replaced later on, such as your armor, helmet, and/or legs. You should only be worried if you got the 340 axe as well instead of just the 330 version, because one is a waste of 2 weeks, while the other is a waste of 4 weeks.

For the record, you shouldn't compare DPS like that. Susano's Axe has a lot of critical hit and some determination, but the Lost Allagan Axe has added determination along with tenacity. You are counting on tenacity actually being worth a shit to compensate for the loss of critical hit, but at the end of the day we all know that just isn't going to happen. Your non-critical attacks should be stronger with the new axe, but your critical damage won't be as high. If you want to compare your DPS, this is what you should be looking at. Compare your the critical hits between the two axes, and see how much you're losing.

[RLofOBFL]

I believe I am noticing the same issue with the PLD weapon. I am doing basically the same damage. Perhaps tank dps is being curved so it can't ever get close to DPS levels, because my static dps upgrading their weapons did bring a noticeable damage increase.

[Chrono_Rising]

This may deepen the mystery but the dark knight 330 weapon was a noticeable increase over my pentamelded 320 weapon which was better than the susano weapon. However I had limited testing time before upgrading to the 340, so maybe not.

Given how close secondary stats are suppose to be I'm surprised WD and strength gain alone would not surpass changes in secondaries.

Rereading your posted data, have your tried a 3 minute rotation as well?

[Baci]

Don't go for the weapon. It is a waste. Even if you are a casual player, you will eventually be able to do V4S sooner or later, at which point you will end up replacing your axe. Or if you want to go for the axe, it should be the last thing you ever get.

If you're going the casual route for the 340 axe, you need 1000 tomes plus 4 weeks of V3S farming (assuming don't just get lucky and end up with the 1/8 drop). Except those 4 weeks' worth of tomes can be use to upgrade something else that won't get replaced later on, such as your armor, helmet, and/or legs. You should only be worried if you got the 340 axe as well instead of just the 330 version, because one is a waste of 2 weeks, while the other is a waste of 4 weeks.

For the record, you shouldn't compare DPS like that. Susano's Axe has a lot of critical hit and some determination, but the Lost Allagan Axe has added determination along with tenacity. You are counting on tenacity actually being worth a shit to compensate for the loss of critical hit, but at the end of the day we all know that just isn't going to happen. Your non-critical attacks should be stronger with the new axe, but your critical damage won't be as high. If you want to compare your DPS, this is what you should be looking at. Compare your the critical hits between the two axes, and see how much you're losing.

Please never compare your dps like that