A difference of playstyles

[NorthernLadMSP]

What I find most brilliant about this whole ordeal is the fact you were standing in AOEs to keep DPSing on a RED MAGE - a job that has instant casts literally every other cast, thus making it a very mobile job.

[Starkbeaumont]

Do people get kicked a lot? I don't think I have ever been kicked..

not really. sometimes ppl kick for no reasons at all. but the majority seems to usually accept failure. it's worse in 24man raids, though you'll meet lots of lazy ppl there.

[Ageofwar]

What I find most brilliant about this whole ordeal is the fact you were standing in AOEs to keep DPSing on a RED MAGE - a job that has instant casts literally every other cast, thus making it a very mobile job.

LB Animation lock is still an issue even on RDM which is when the AOE's showed up

the area in in front of the gate before the 2nd boss doesn't leave much room for avoiding stuff when you are dealing with all the mob packs between the 1st boss and 2nd boss which is about 5 packs of mobs in total (this is normally done in 2 to 3 pulls)

[Sorciechan]

To the OP, while I wouldn't have LBed until I knew I was out of aoe, it doesn't really seem like you did anything wrong to justify a kick here. Try not to let it get to you. In DF, you run into a lot of sillies.

Also, I'm kinda surprised on the responses of how he/she handled getting back to the group. I've had healers leave me alone when I died sometimes in dungeons with the response that going to the entrance doesn't give you the weakness debuff. If that's not how you do it, then there are a lot of ppl doing it wrong, right now. :/

[Jybril]

Well...
1. You not accepting Healers Res is wasting their MP. - (Even worse if your heal as a SCH. :/)
2. I would rather have you return by the res and keep going with the DPS even with the penalty.
3. Communication is key.
4. Standing in AoE's is uneeded stress for the healers, and in result, you died.
5. During the LB, how did you even die? You literally must been ontop of the Tank or where the mobs were / AoE.
6. I would rather be vote kicked without word than have something hateful said to me lol.

Since it's 4 man, I personally wouldn't of kicked but standing in AoE's because you don't want to
is not a "difference in playstyle" it's you being lazy.

[LaylaTsarra]

Well...
1. You not accepting Healers Res is wasting their MP. - (Even worse if your heal as a SCH. :/)
2. I would rather have you return by the res and keep going with the DPS even with the penalty.
3. Communication is key.
4. Standing in AoE's is uneeded stress for the healers, and in result, you died.
5. During the LB, how did you even die? You literally must been ontop of the Tank or where the mobs were / AoE.
6. I would rather be vote kicked without word than have something hateful said to me lol.

it's you being lazy.

It's the end of the boss fight. Accepting a raise with a weakness makes no sense when you can return without one. Personally as a healer I'll tell someone to return instead of casting a raise. Relative to keeping the dps going? You mean by having the tank start a pull without everyone there and properly buffed because waiting a few seconds more for that person to arrive and get a protect is wasting too much time?

The OP didn't appear to be purposely standing in any aoe's. He was trying to avoid the target mechanic and felt compelled to have to cross where the frontal boss aoe was. I know that duty very well and it can get crowded and hard to avoid at times. It's just bad luck it seems. Relative to the limit break those aoes spawn very quickly and not just near the mobs. Once a lb is cast and reached a certain point you can't cancel and the OP has even stated that the aoes spawned when he was in LB lock.

The willingness of some to blame others and call them lazy on this forum is simply sad.

[MADJAM]

Respawning at the end of a Boss Fight is tolorable
Respawning during battle is not : Wait for a wipe (or "Raise"r's death) before doing so

Like it or not, Dodging is part of everyong's job, you are DPS, the less dmg you take, the more strees you remove from the healer.

The Tank should have wait for your Vercure before pulling.
Did you take the Shortcut to get back to the party?
Some Tanks doesn't know the specifics about some DPS's jobs... Sadly.

If you go for Duty Roulette Expert, be ready to be an Expert at doing your job.

[Cenerae]

It's difficult to get an unbiased opinion of this event, since we only have the OP's word to go off.

I am going to assume the second death and subsequent release and run back was what got him kicked, as I am assumming the pack was not dead. If it was dead after the LB finished (and subsequent death), then that implies he wasn't paying attention to what the group wanted him to do (caster LB on such a huge pack should really be a no brainer, though I understand some people would yell at you for 'wasting' it on trash, making some not want to do it), and that compounded with the likely silence from the OP got him removed.

If you make a silly mistake it's better to speak up than let it sit in silence, otherwise you're letting your group mates form their own conclusions and they'll act toward you accordingly. Based off only what the OP has said, with only my own assumption of what happened and not taking into account the full picture (since I do not know it), I probably would have been inclined to kick the OP for releasing in the middle of a huge pull instead of taking the rez and continuing to fight.

[Jybril]

The willingness of some to blame others and call them lazy on this forum is simply sad.

I didn't know he meant at the end of the boss. He said "After the group killed the boss..."
So I thought he was sitting there for a while. I also thought he meant he didn't run or do anything in that boss since he said (I don't like running around for this attack.)
I can agree the tank not waiting was lame.

Yes the area there can be crowded in that arena, but as a RDM, he has one the best mobility in this game.
As read in his other comments, he got a lot of comms from that dungeon before, so he should of known when to not be where the AoE's were.
Also, he blamed the healer for not doing their job. They did, he refused their help.
I would of just apologized for dying regardless of the fault.

But then again, we don't 100% what happened because we weren't there so it is his word against no one elses. Like I said in #3, communication is key. They probably would of spared him.

[Avatre]

I would like to remind people this was a duty roulette group NOT A PRE-MADE group, also the second between the 1st and second boss is normally done in 2 to 3 pulls for a DR party

It is very rare, after the first week of SB, that I see that part between first and second bosses be more than two pulls. It is entirely up to the tank and healer if they feel they can handle that type of pull. And I NEVER have done it in PF, always through DF. So saying anything regarding it being a DF and not pre-made is just an excuse for you not wanting to adjust to what the majority has elected to do. All players should be adjusting for the different parties that they are paired up with, as that makes things go a lot smoother than sticking to your way with zero adjustments.


And this describes it perfectly:

Now you're just making excuses. Duty Finder has no expectations. It's a tool used to randomly select 4/8/24 players and party them together. What they choose to do from that moment forward is at their own discretion. As gear levels increase, expect to see more tanks trying the mega pulls.