Scholar Feedback

[inhaledcorn]

So controversial opinion: I think turning all of the pets to be more similar to Bahamut, (as in, they don't technically exist on the field, and they do stuff when their master does stuff), but with a few changes:

1) The pets only perform their actions on spells with cast times (Swiftcast will still have them do stuff) except on Resurrection. But, pet actions are instant (so they can use them while moving).

2) ACN/SMN pets only attack when using damaging spells, and SCH pets will only heal on healing spells. (This will kill a lot of SCH's passive healing potential, but-)

3) The three pet abilities are put back onto the masters so that pets perform their actions in a timely manner instead of queuing them (the pet bar can be repurposed for the Chocobo).

4) The pets are redefined (SMN - Garuda/Emerald Carbuncle: party support. Ifrit: single-target dps. Titan/Topaz Carbuncle: AoE dps. SCH - Eos: Regen fairy. Selene: Shield fairy)

5) Aetherpact/Fey's Union is changed to: Creates a pact between the fairy and the tethered player. For every spell the Scholar casts, the fairy heals the target. (Heal Potency: 500) For every heal the fairy casts, the fairy gauge drains by 10.

In addition, the Fairy Gauge increases by 10 for every Aetherflow action made and for every basic heal cast by the Fairy.

[NorthernLadMSP]

You also have to realize how things were.

Yeah, I really don't need you to school me in anything. I've been playing SCH as one of my main jobs for almost 4 full years. I'm fully aware of of their history.

[Archamgel]

2) ACN/SMN pets only attack when using damaging spells, and SCH pets will only heal on healing spells. (This will kill a lot of SCH's passive healing potential, but-)

Terrible. They already gutted our dps. What are trying to do give them the idea to take away everything that made Sch great from 2.x-3.x?

[Evumeimei]

Sp far, I haven't found playing Scholar in Stormblood as terrible as I thought it would be. I suppose my biggest complaint would be that I feel we have too many skills locked behind aetherflow stacks. MP management has been harder, but I haven't yet encountered a situation where I ran completely dry. I do think we have to work harder to get the job done.

I would mind getting our basic healing spell Physick buffed a bit to make up for the loss in fairy healing potency. Or revert the added mana cost to adlo to what it was pre-Stormblood. I just don't feel we get an adequate effect from our spells for how much mana they cost compared to the other healers.

I don't think they need to change things drastically, but there is still room for improvement. Hopefully we'll see something in 4.1

[Miles_Maelstrom]

I have some thoughts on this.

Stay tuned need to edit to surpass cap, why cap on words, when you can edit and surpass it, ask SE.

Edit:

I love playing a fairy wrangler, but it has been not so great as of late.

We suffer from some major things imo. Those being progression and how our abilities mesh together.

I say progression is a problem, because the issue becomes prevalent in progression. Scholar is a healer that needs a lot of planning, during a fight we need to plan when to use abilities for what mechanics and everything tends to be a little tight especially with this current flavor of raids seems to be lots of strong AoE damage to the group and the need to keep players topped on HP. OS4 literally has a mechanic that severely punishes for any player missing as much as 1 hp. Scholars have a limited kit of non-CD based spells, or I should say spells that can deliver healing with out some limiter in how often we can other than MP. 3 Spells. Physick, Aldo and Succor. 2 of which have high MP cost, in case of Aldo a stupid high cost for what it is. The MP limiter is fine, but none of these spells are high heal spells. they can become better at healing but we need CDs.

The issue that this becomes in progression, is for mistakes. When a group is learning mistakes happen, and scholars lack the ability to help recover. Most if not all of their CDs are usually reserved for a specific mechanic in a fight, where they will need the healing they provide. If something goes wrong and we need to help recover we have to use a CD, and then later when we planned to use it we no longer have it and the group will be in a bad spot again. The other two healer have larger heals that are not limited by anything but MP cost, which that can use to help recover a group in a pinch and then others can even help them regain the MP lost. While at the same time preserving the CDs they will need later.

My other main issue is the meshing of our abilities. My main problem comes with Dissipation. The skills fights itself, that's how much it doesn't mesh with how a scholar plays. Disspation when use offer two benefits gives you a fresh 3 aether stacks, and a bonus healing to spell. Those 3 spells above our non-CD based ones. This is where immediately it is fighting itself. it gives you 3 aether flow stacks to use of healing abilities, but those don't benefit from the healing bonus, so what do you do, you either don't make use of the healing bonus to use your better abilities, or you delay the better abilities, but if you could afford to do that why did you use dissipation. This ability also has a very tight optimum use window. The gain of quicken aether flow makes it have some good benefits. So ideally you'd want to use dissipation early after a aetherflow and stack use so these new stacks can further decrease Aetherflow CD without being wasted. Additionally, if you want to make use of the healing up you'd need to ignore this benefit, because it requires a fast use of these stacks. The other issue is the fairy. Dissipation has this hidden cost of 1 major CD (or a long cast) and a good chunk of MP to get the fairy back. It's silly that this ability wasn't changed to function like the SMN bahumet. They obviously thought that the SMN having to resummon after bahaumet would be to much of a detriment to SMN based on how important their pet is to their role. Scholar's pet is just as important to us as SMN to our role.

A smaller issued with ability meshing is with our new ability. Aether Pact, I actually like this ability, it has some issues but the idea is solid. I wish the fairy could activate it faster, but it's not a huge issue. The main thing I have here is that I wish the gauge could do more. working toward only one ability seems kind of flat. I wish dissipation also had some functionality with the gauge.

I know it would be broken but I'd like to see Excog being deployable. It's a buff we provide, and it should be affected by deployment tactics like any of our other buffs. It's an ability meshing thing.

[inhaledcorn]

Terrible. They already gutted our dps. What are trying to do give them the idea to take away everything that made Sch great from 2.x-3.x?

Uh, actually, yeah. The Scholar is proving to be a nightmare to balance because of the fairy. In ARR/HW, it was too strong. In SB, it's too weak. If it's for easier balance, then the fairy should go and behave more like a stance. This also would have the side effect of reducing the gap between the floor and ceiling since I still see so many Scholars keep their fairies on Sic/Follow, meaning Eos is using cooldowns willy-nilly and not casting Embrace efficiently. Another thing people complain about is the Pet AI putting skills in a queue, attacking/healing wrong targets, one pet is clearly better than the others, no Sustain to keep our pets alive, and, though this is a Summoner only problem, Bahamut doesn't exist on the field.

If we put Embrace back at 300 potency, all of those other problems would exist, but that wouldn't matter since Scholar wouldn't have to heal and crank out more DPS, making White Mage outclassed again.

[Lastelli]

Uh, actually, yeah. The Scholar is proving to be a nightmare to balance because of the fairy. In ARR/HW, it was too strong. In SB, it's too weak.

Is it? There's a SCH in pretty much any speedkill party on fflogs.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Is it? There's a SCH in pretty much any speedkill party on fflogs.

It's a bad idea to balance jobs based on farm parties.

[Lastelli]

It's a bad idea to balance jobs based on farm parties.

How are they supposed to balance jobs, then?

But that's not the point. The guy said that sch is "too weak" in sb. How? Can people making this assertion provide some proof or some data to back it up?

Something a little more convincing than "job x is clunky and weak because I'm having trouble with it and I don't care if other players can do amazing things with said job, as long as I can't the job is weak".

[Miles_Maelstrom]

How are they supposed to balance jobs, then?

But that's not the point. The guy said that sch is "too weak" in sb. How? Can people making this assertion provide some proof or some data to back it up?

Something a little more convincing than "job x is clunky and weak because I'm having trouble with it and I don't care if other players can do amazing things with said job, as long as I can't the job is weak".

I went into the scholar's issue with progression. We have issues but I don't think the fairy's healing power is currently one of them. Not with the current "themes" of raiding. An issue I see with scholar is getting that jump from a progression party to a farm is more daunting than with other healers. Farming we're great.