Scholar Feedback

[Kabzy]

You know what I take that back. I just looked more into earthy stars if the only change was that excog could be deployed, earthly stars would still be the more powerful of the 2.

Have you even read the tooltips? Excogitation is more powerful than Earthly Star if you could deploy it. Not to mention Earthly Star needs to be placed and charged as well. It would be braindead, and actually much better than any other heal as it would instantly proc at 50% health causing no overheal.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Have you even read the tooltips? Excogitation is more powerful than Earthly Star if you could deploy it. Not to mention Earthly Star needs to be placed and charged as well. It would be braindead, and actually much better than any other heal as it would instantly proc at 50% health causing no overheal.

What? Scholars are no strangers to preplanning to properly heal. Saying earthly stars requires forethought is not a good argument. Deployed excog would need just as much forethought to get the most out of it. With 2x as long a CD, +80 potency per player, and the good chance that not all of the excog buffs would even be used. It is limited where this would be really powerful. Except earthly stars while causing some overheal can be used in a sub optimal position to top some players off when it's required, while a spread excog couldn't.

[Tridus]

What? Scholars are no strangers to preplanning to properly heal. Saying earthly stars requires forethought is not a good argument. Deployed excog would need just as much forethought to get the most out of it. With 2x as long a CD, +80 potency per player, and the good chance that not all of the excog buffs would even be used. It is limited where this would be really powerful. Except earthly stars while causing some overheal can be used in a sub optimal position to top some players off when it's required, while a spread excog couldn't.

... no. Earth Star requires being timed correctly and having everyone go to the right place at the right time to get the most out of it. Deployed Excog would be "do this before the big damage happens and the server will handle the rest no matter what the other players do."

They're not even remotely comparable in terms of usage.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

... no. Earth Star requires being timed correctly and having everyone go to the right place at the right time to get the most out of it. Deployed Excog would be "do this before the big damage happens and the server will handle the rest no matter what the other players do."

They're not even remotely comparable in terms of usage.

You act like when you need a big aoe heal like earthly star your group wouldn't have been grouped up already. Usually at a pre-designed location. Like right near the boss. Deploy has a range too people need to group p for it.

[Tiva]

Honestly the fact that these threads about sch keep popping up really makes me feel like I'm playing a different job than everyone else. From my perspective sch can use some small changes... looking at you fairy spaghetti.... but overall it is very strong, has great emergency healing ability, and very good dps. I just dont get it?

I personally would prefer more skill pruning on sch. It's my only class that needs 4 action bars still. But that's probably just me since it seems the job pruning pissed a lot of people off.

Again, I'm going to say it... if you are struggling to heal 4 man dungeons on sch, I feel you are doing something wrong in your playstyle. This is not meant to be a hate callout. More of a, hey.... it may be you, not the job. Sorry. If you are struggling to heal 4 man dungeons, probably make a separate thread to get job help because that should not be happening and is not normal.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Honestly the fact that these threads about sch keep popping up really makes me feel like I'm playing a different job than everyone else. From my perspective sch can use some small changes... looking at you fairy spaghetti.... but overall it is very strong, has great emergency healing ability, and very good dps. I just dont get it?

I personally would prefer more skill pruning on sch. It's my only class that needs 4 action bars still. But that's probably just me since it seems the job pruning pissed a lot of people off.

Again, I'm going to say it... if you are struggling to heal 4 man dungeons on sch, I feel you are doing something wrong in your playstyle. This is not meant to be a hate callout. More of a, hey.... it may be you, not the job. Sorry. If you are struggling to heal 4 man dungeons, probably make a separate thread to get job help because that should not be happening and is not normal.

100% agree.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

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Honestly if I had to bet its because you\\'ve started to play this game like it\\'s a job more than a hobby. Yeah we can get things done and progress, and your desire for less buttons maximizng efficiency of your work vs output reflects that this is a job mentality.

A lot of the stuff I\\'ve been bringing up isn\\'t because I think scholars are weak, but encase they overall design is very strange right now. Most of our abilities aren\\'t working with a common goal inind of furthering our class, they kind of work for the most part in spite of eachother. Especially our cap stones. Hell even asking for excog to be able to be deployed isn\\'t because I think we need it I just don\\'t think it will hurt the game to have it, but having it would go a long way for our ability meshing. That idea that our abilities are designed to work in tandem instead of just being there.

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[Miles_Maelstrom]

Like white mage had a bit of this pretty SB, but got a good boost to it this expansion. Things like heals porcine other stronger heals, casting abilities buds stacks for better abilities goes a long way for making classes feel like their abilities are working together. Astrologian is big on it too, the card system was already big on it, and the fact that SB kind of reinforced no card left unwasted is great, plus their buff extenders working with every BFF in their tool kit is great.

Then we have us, where a lot of out abilities don\\\\\\'t work with each other, sometimes even contradict eachother or themselves. It\\\\\\'s just odd and leaves the class being in a strange spot.

[Tiva]

Honestly if I had to bet its because you\\'ve started to play this game like it\\'s a job more than a hobby.

I do raid. I raid 1 day a week now because even my casual raid group cleared everything in just a few weeks. The rest of the week I hang out with my dog and go hiking after work or level my alt casually. /shrug So I'd have to say you are wrong on that front. I have a full time job already that is very demanding.

Yeah we can get things done and progress, and your desire for less buttons maximizng efficiency of your work vs output reflects that this is a job mentality.

Not only can sch 'get things done and progress' they are still considered the go-to healer for raids for both their healing ability and dps ability. You are acting like sch is the worst healer right now when in reality we are arguably the best. Healers are very balanced right now.. but still sch/ast is the best pair for healing and dps. We saw some initial whm/noct groups but in raiding we still see far more groups running sch over noct because its just overall better. In more casual content, sch still excels. The only reason the number of skills is important to me is because it makes my UI very awkward.

A lot of the stuff I\\'ve been bringing up isn\\'t because I think scholars are weak, but encase they overall design is very strange right now. Most of our abilities aren\\'t working with a common goal inind of furthering our class, they kind of work for the most part in spite of eachother. Especially our cap stones. Hell even asking for excog to be able to be deployed isn\\'t because I think we need it I just don\\'t think it will hurt the game to have it, but having it would go a long way for our ability meshing. That idea that our abilities are designed to work in tandem instead of just being there.

I don't know what doesn't mesh to you about sch. You shield people. You dps. Mechanics eat the shields. You re-shield them, you dps, and if the shield isn't enough you use an instant (lustrate, excog, indom) to heal. And you have other things for emergency healing (CDs, SS, ET, dissipation). Sch doesn't have much hard casting to do these days. And the shielding + free fairy healing has amazing synergy with the focus on dps in this game. You can get a ton of dps out while your shields break or your fairy heals.

Like white mage had a bit of this pretty SB, but got a good boost to it this expansion. Things like heals porcine other stronger heals, casting abilities buds stacks for better abilities goes a long way for making classes feel like their abilities are working together. Astrologian is big on it too, the card system was already big on it, and the fact that SB kind of reinforced no card left unwasted is great, plus their buff extenders working with every BFF in their tool kit is great.

I'm going to try and wade through the typing errors here.... Things like heals producing(?) stronger heals. What do you mean by this? Whm doesn't do this. Casing abilities builds stacks for better abilities? I think i get maybe 1 lilly per encounter on whm. The lilly system is still trash. It's garbage and needs a complete re-work. You are trying to say that whm got some cool new things in the expac, but in reality the playerbase hates those things you are referring and it's a bad system. So I totally disagree. I don't think I cast a single cure or cure 2 spell in all of exdeath or neoexdeath. I can pull up the log. Their idea and design for this system was just bad. We definitely don't want a similar system on sch. Also you are off about Ast as well. No card left "unwasted"? How is that true? most of the cards are still junk and we are still waiting on balance. They made spear a bit more viable... so now you get balance and spear, and the rest of them are extremely niche. Ast cards have the same problem they had before, except now you can do shit with them through Lady/Lord. Even adding that system was SE pseudo-acknowledging that many of the cards are going to the trash bin. I think you might mostly play sch from your character sheet. You may want to play the other healer jobs at 70 to see they have thier own issues. I'm not saying that is a reason not to make changed.. but I think you are basically finding fault in a lot of skills where there isn't much. I will say if you play more casually, a lot of skills on sch are going to be wasted. Sch is really designed for savage and that's where their kit feels really impactful and fun. As far as place in the game and the meta I'd still say whm is in the worst spot with diurnal ast taking so much of their identity. I've posted about this before, but this thread is about sch. I'm basically saying, I think you are trying to find things to complain about on sch. Sch now is really not much different at all from sch in HW. It's just that the other healers are closer in balance now so sch is no longer undisputed king of the entire universe and I think that makes scholar fanatics a bit salty.

[AiharaMizuki]

Honestly if I had to bet its because you\\'ve started to play this game like it\\'s a job more than a hobby

Why resort to such personal attack.

Hell even asking for excog to be able to be deployed isn\\'t because I think we need it I just don\\'t think it will hurt the game to have it, but having it would go a long way for our ability meshing.

It will hurt the game. It will push out one of the other 2 healers completely out. Having an "AoE" heal for 800 potency that you can just deploy and let it trigger where lag does not affect it, just......no.

WHM stuffs

If you're gonna bring up WHMs, do you realize how underwhelming the lily system is? The only "cool" thing they got in SB is Thin Air. Stone IV is just a decent upgrade over Stone III. Plenary Indulgence had to be buffed (Confession mechanic was changed). Divine Benison wastes lilies if you have 2 or 3 lilies saved up. 20% CD reduction on either Tetra, Assize or Asylum when you have 3 lilies is underwhelming.

Even getting up to 3 lilies is a bit iffy with how good healers try to minimize the amount of GCD heals they'll use to push out more dps. SCH's gauge can fill up with just DPSing via Energy Drain or Bane.

AST stuffs

AST still suffers from being RNG-reliant. Spear was buffed, yes but that's 2 cards out of 6 that is desired over the others. Arrow is handy for some classes sure but not all DPS loves getting Arrow, there are even cases of Arrow throwing off CD alignment for DRG (not sure about other DPS classes).