Why no Plex system?

[Vaer]

Despite this, their plex tokens have consistently sold for ~50,000 gold.

Actually they are 160k now on NA. (Multiple reasons, one of the main reasons is it can be turned into battle.net balance now).

When they launched they were worth 10-20k.

[Dzian]

The dev team hasn't ever shown any interest in adding a plex system to XIV. It doesn't really seem to be something that the community is very interested in either, as the topic rarely comes up.

I'd be interested.. use my in game gils to pay my sub. Especially cos til is largely worthless in the game. So if No could use it to sub I'd be all for it.

[Snow_Princess]

WoW's economy is a gigantic joke, with gold hoarding that was so bad that the latest expansion added a 2,000,000 gold vanity mount just to try to get some of it out of the economy.

Despite this, their plex tokens have consistently sold for ~50,000 gold.

Your fears are unwarranted.

you did not address what I was talking about. It is not a fear, I am TELLING YOU what will happen. Give me more power at the expense of most of the playerbase, hf.

[Krotoan]

surely you realize it been illegal and the prices is a deterrent? I do not know what you are ultimately trying to show with this post though. I know the reasoning why the time gating is there, I was not asking why it was there. I was explaining why it makes no sense and why it would make even less sense with the plex system, along with making the econ issue worse.

I was assuming you understood that this was IF "plex" was a thing. I don't support gil farmer RMT. That would be idiotic. It floods the economy and ruins most peoples experience with spam and bots. I apologize I didn't make that clearer.

You originally said:

Easy, the same arguments people use for why all the pointless time gating is a "good thing" for the game. You can't have people being far ahead because of RMT, people will complain.

Stating the argument against Dev RMT was the same as Time gating. I explained it wouldn't let you get ahead because the only thing it affected wasn't "time gated" and threw in why I've deduced time gating has been implemented by the devs.


Does that make it clearer?

Smarmy comments don't help anything by the way. Please keep those to a minimum and I'll return the courtesy. I've shown you respect and patience in every exchange, have I not?

[Snow_Princess]

I was assuming you understood that this was IF "plex" was a thing. I don't support gil farmer RMT. That would be idiotic. It floods the economy and ruins most peoples experience with spam and bots. I apologize I didn't make that clearer.
You originally said:

Stating the argument against Dev RMT was the same as Time gating. I explained it wouldn't let you get ahead because the only thing it affected wasn't "time gated" and threw in why I've deduced time gating has been implemented by the devs.


Does that make it clearer?

Smarmy comments don't help anything by the way. Please keep those to a minimum and I'll return the courtesy. I've shown you respect and patience in every exchange, have I not?

I do not understand what you are saying so I will say this to try to work it out. 320! < crafted gear IS BIS in some cases, like how a tank came to me who had a 340 gear on the right ( do not remember how many or what slot) Because of the penta melding. So you are basically buying BIS with RL money and this is a nonissue? For people that realize this, those gear pieces will SKYROCKET to obscene amounts, along with WT gear, and this does not get around time gating? Because now the situation is, you skip whatever you would normally get for the BIS crafted, then focus on getting the time gating gated gear that is bis, and basically gear up faster then most people, other then people that earn gil in game to do basically the same thing. (assuming midcore gil collectors can keep up with the econ being influenced by plex, and that is something I think would turn impossible, just make the gaps of rich and poor bigger)

I also do not know what "Smarmy comments " or why you are saying this.

Why are you debating me if you disagree with plex? It will make FFXIV's bad econ worse, and only trying to explain why.

[Clawbriar]

The only reason I'm against this is because gil is not a necessity, especially if you don't craft or gather. The average Joe player does not really need bags of gold to sustain themselves. The vast majority of battle content means you aren't using gil for anything but teleporting and repairing. Hell, the game even offers you materia on a plate.

It's a good idea to combat botting and unsanctioned RMT, but the sort of people who would benefit from this... don't really seem to need it in the first place.

[RichardButte]

Actually they are 160k now on NA. (Multiple reasons, one of the main reasons is it can be turned into battle.net balance now).

When they launched they were worth 10-20k.

Ah yeah, that's right: you can sell them back to Blizzard now.

Still, 160k was nothing to the people who were sitting at gold cap in WoW, and it still didn't adversely affect the economy.

I am TELLING YOU what will happen.

I can tell you things as well.

For example, I can tell you that I'm typing this post from my home in the underwater city of Atlantis, where our advanced technology allows my people to tap in to your surface internet. We do this because, while we Atlanteans may possess the secrets of eternal life, how to cure all diseases, and effortlessly producing unlimited quantities of nourishing food, you surface people still have us beat in video games and adult entertainment.

We can tell each other these and plenty of other things. Doesn't mean either of us is right...

Give me more power at the expense of most of the playerbase, hf.

You won't have "power" over anything.

If the gold barons of WoW, armed with automated 3rd party addons that monitor market fluctuations across literally all servers to build their fortunes based off of the algorithms detected in price changes didn't break WoW's economy, no one in FFXIV is even going to come close...

And WoW's economy, like XIV's, is one where currency is worthless to plenty of players because they have nothing to spend it on.

The only reason I'm against this is because gil is not a necessity, especially if you don't craft or gather. The average Joe player does not really need bags of gold to sustain themselves. The vast majority of battle content means you aren't using gil for anything but teleporting and repairing. Hell, the game even offers you materia on a plate.

But, for as little gil as people supposedly need, RMT barkers are still everywhere, which means that SOMEONE is buying gil from them, otherwise they wouldn't be advertising.

[Krotoan]

Watching people defeat their own stance is so much fun <3

This is smarmy. Unnecessary and smug sounding. That's what I was referring to.


I'm not sure what confusing language I'm using. I am NOT against PLEX, I am against ILLEGAL RMT's. However I also understand that RMT happens whether or not we want it to and PLEX would funnel the money to a better place AND likely eliminate gil seller spam and bots (somewhat).
I understand what you're saying, but you're out and out ignoring what I'm expressing: People are already able to buy , with gil, the top tier equipment according to you. This means that with enough effort, anyone can farm Gil and kit out their characters at their own pace. hence it's NOT timegated. TIMEGATED items like tomestone gear CANNOT be affected by RMT , either illegal OR dev run.

Neither of us knows , for sure , what this would do to the economy because neither of us can fortell the future. But I can say for sure it would reduce illegal RMT and put money in SE's pocket instead since people are definitely WILLING to exchange money for Gil (or the gil sellers wouldn't be doing it) and eliminating the risk of banning would make people much more likely to use the legal channel.

It would also put a hard value on Gil, which may end up HELPING the economy if people can finally have a reference other than "oh hey.. people are selling this for 2 million right now". IF we had plex they could go "well, 15 dollars buys me 10 million gil, is that minion worth 15 dollars?"

[Roth_Trailfinder]

I do not understand what you are saying so I will say this to try to work it out. 320! < crafted gear IS BIS in some cases, like how a tank came to me who had a 340 gear on the right ( do not remember how many or what slot) Because of the penta melding. So you are basically buying BIS with RL money and this is a nonissue?

A few more steps involved than just "spend RL money, buy gear".

Like, oh, actually selling the game time token.

Then finding someone selling the gear you want to buy.

You're also presenting the image that it is the person selling the gear, and not SE, that gets the RL money. They would get their sub money, have no fear. The person selling the gear would get the gil you spent on it, regardless of where that gil came from, as someone else was pointing out above.

Also, having that gear be BiS is not the fault of the game token, nor for that matter, the guy who runs tank and sells the Materia from the Cracked Clusters to get that gil, nor the woman who crafts a lot of stuff to sell to make the gil to buy the gear for her tank.

Much as I'd love for SE to introduce something like EQ's Krono, I really do not see it happening, mainly due to the extra retainers. Not unless the cost was $27 each (the cost of a month sub time and six retainers).

[Rymm]

This is smarmy. Unnecessary and smug sounding. That's what I was referring to.

I just wanted to chime in here, real quick. You might have confused her with your choice of adjective; her comments sometimes do run toward smug and patronizing, but that's not what smarmy means.

Mostly just wanted to point that. As for on topic, I don't have very strong opinions either way. A Plex system would be a nice convenience and a good way to combat RMTs, but I think FF14 would survive fine without it. All these Chicken Littles running around and saying how it would herald the end of the world did give me a good chuckle though.