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    Galgarion's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xatsh View Post
    I do not understand how ppl can be for a plex system and against RMT. It makes no sense at all.
    It makes perfect sense. I support plex because it gives players more varied options for deciding how they want to maintain their subscription. Plex systems can be a blessing for people running low on funds who would like to continue playing but have to choose between entertainment and food. (Poor people like this game too.) At the same time I oppose RMT because many of them are criminal endeavors seeking to violate intellectual property rights for their own profit; many of them are also literal slave labor, forcing inmates in far eastern prison camps to labor against their will. They're unethical and evil. Does that explain things for you?
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    Ruruneji Seseneji
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    This is something ive wanted for a while. If we take WoW's system as example, you can for ingame currency pay for cash-shop items including subscription.

    It works by one player purchasing a token for irl cash (20$) and putting it on their equivalent to market board for a set price generated from supply/demand. WoW players cannot game the system for more gold nor is gold generated in the process. All gold in circulation was already there.

    With SE allowing us to rent retainers and buy a lot of cash-shop exclusives i am surprised this is not a thing. I would love to use my millions of gil on something useful. A subscription token would allow me to.

    SE wouldnt loose money, in fact they would gain. 15 dollar for regular sub or 20 for gil- paid by someone else.

    Saying "ohno then we can just go buy gil" is not an issue to me as we can with the retainers we rent sell, gain and store more materials. In that sense we can already rent market superiority.

    +upvote from here rich
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    Maybe I dont see it but that means no money goes to the game and the company. Gil is so damn easy to get in this game even as a non crafter/gatherer
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    For those unfamiliar, the "Plex" system is one where players can buy a month of game time from the MMO developer that they can then sell for in game currency.

    No actual new in-game currency is generated. It's just players with more time and less real money selling in-game money to players who have more money but less time to play, and it goes a long way toward curbing RMT because most players would rather go with a safe transaction instead of risking being banned for buying gil.

    Have the devs commented on possibly adding it to the game, especially now that jump potions are here?
    Most likely because they know they can't make a good econ and the top crafters on every server will have perma free subs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rinuko View Post
    Maybe I dont see it but that means no money goes to the game and the company. Gil is so damn easy to get in this game even as a non crafter/gatherer
    ^

    This is the effect of having everything handed to you, there is no need for the main in game currency. Because of that, the only use for gil now would be to get free sub and I do not see that having good results.

    If FFXIV had a good encon, maybe it could work, but I suspect the dev team is aware of it and the reason why they don't.
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    Last edited by Snow_Princess; 08-23-2017 at 03:15 PM.

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    Nonni Brilante
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
    Most likely because they know they can't make a good econ and the top crafters on every server will have perma free subs.
    Pretty much this, and what games that do have it know that it takes months or even years to stabilize, and it's all a monetary loss until it does.

    It could be argued that SE could tweak the price as needed so it would be a monetary gain, but to do that would require jacking the gil price to ludicrous levels, which would then mean that selling it would net gil income that would destroy economies unless it was set up so that selling it would yield far less gil than the purchase amount, in which that would lead to players either buying loads more or no one buying them, resulting in resources wasted when they could've gone to other, better QoL features.

    Either way, it would just lead to a lot of people not being happy.
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    I think it's a little late for this sort of addition. Taking Plex back to its origin, FF14 won't have the same issues EVE Online does with Plex accounts because we don't have FFA PvP and we don't have the player driven economy that controls gear (ships and fits) that EVE Online has.

    Still, what FF14 also lacks is Gil value. You could play this game to end game, flat broke and be fine. You could have 50 billion Gil and not even have savage content unlocked. Once you add a Plex system, you define Gil but for the guy with an extra $15 in his account, why does he need Gil all of a sudden?
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    No, I think this is a stupid idea.

    Just look at the amount of inflation in WoW right now. You might argue that we're carrying millions of gil, but considering we don't have Silver or Copper currencies like WoW does, a million gil only equates to about 1000 gold. Now consider the fact that most players in WoW are carrying literally hundreds of thouzands of gold. The ability to indirectly buy gold through subscription tokens has caused inflation to be so bad, completely new players can be carrying enough Gold to buy their Epic Flying skill before reaching level 50.

    If you want to earh money, go work for it instead of buying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dameron View Post
    No, I think this is a stupid idea.

    Just look at the amount of inflation in WoW right now. You might argue that we're carrying millions of gil, but considering we don't have Silver or Copper currencies like WoW does, a million gil only equates to about 1000 gold. Now consider the fact that most players in WoW are carrying literally hundreds of thouzands of gold. The ability to indirectly buy gold through subscription tokens has caused inflation to be so bad, completely new players can be carrying enough Gold to buy their Epic Flying skill before reaching level 50.

    If you want to earh money, go work for it instead of buying it.
    The WoW tokens are not generating gold. It is simply distributing the already existing gold. WoW tokens do not contribute to inflation, WoW goldfarmers does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enur View Post
    The WoW tokens are not generating gold. It is simply distributing the already existing gold. WoW tokens do not contribute to inflation, WoW goldfarmers does.
    WoW's gold cap got raised specifically to accomodate the increasing prices of the WoW tokens. So yes, it has contributed to the inflation as well.
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    C'qhataia Ixa'ris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dameron View Post
    WoW's gold cap got raised specifically to accomodate the increasing prices of the WoW tokens. So yes, it has contributed to the inflation as well.
    The game has been around for a decade or more. It could just be time. :\
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