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[NobleWinter]

I really wanna know what I should be focusing on because right now I use Crit and SS materia as a Scholar but I have no clue what's actually best to be using. A few threads have said that Direct Hit is really useful for your DPS but Critical Hit and Spell Speed have obvious universal appeal for both healing and damage output.

[Cynfael]

I really wanna know what I should be focusing on because right now I use Crit and SS materia as a Scholar but I have no clue what's actually best to be using. A few threads have said that Direct Hit is really useful for your DPS but Critical Hit and Spell Speed have obvious universal appeal for both healing and damage output.

I would argue that even though SpS supports DPS, it's a garbage healing stat for SCH. No one needs an oh-so-slightly faster heal with how damage is both choreographed and telegraphed, and SCH's only HoT is Eos' Whispering Dawn. I'd compare SpS and DH based almost purely on DPS value.

[Dregenfox]

I would argue that even though SpS supports DPS, it's a garbage healing stat for SCH. No one needs an oh-so-slightly faster heal with how damage is both choreographed and telegraphed, and SCH's only HoT is Eos' Whispering Dawn. I'd compare SpS and DH based almost purely on DPS value.

You obviously shouldn't prioritize it, but Eos does get a lot faster with SpS, and embrace makes up a significant portion of SCH healing + costs no resources regardless of how fast embrace gets. It's nice for DOT's as well.

Unlike for DPS there really isn't a strict priority in terms of which stat is better. Even if crit is mathematically better, SpS helps a lot in savage fights like o4s where the window of healing is tight, and other healers might see a lot of value in the consistency of determination. Still others might be taking on the brunt of main + AOE healing for their raid and end up needing the sustain from piety.

[Ftail]

I would argue that even though SpS supports DPS, it's a garbage healing stat for SCH.

It's hardly a garbage healing stat for SCH. Sure Crit is better for healing, but to call SS garbage is a gross understatement.

Anyway, since I usually play with a WHM who can almost solo heal all the savage content, I'm usually spending about 80%-90% of my time DPS'ing and managing 3 dots on the boss as the off-healer. Usually when we wipe in savage fights it's to the enrage timer, the more DPS I can pump out for the group, the better I say. Until content that is created that actually makes me struggle with healing groups and I'm not spending the majority of my time dealing damage, I'll consider changing my build.

[Cynfael]

It's hardly a garbage healing stat for SCH. Sure Crit is better for healing, but to call SS garbage is a gross understatement.

What case would you make for SS as a good healing stat for SCH?

You obviously shouldn't prioritize it, but Eos does get a lot faster with SpS.

Unless the interface is lying (not saying this isn't possible, mind you), SS is not affecting faerie cast times or delays.

[Dregenfox]

What case would you make for SS as a good healing stat for SCH?



Unless the interface is lying (not saying this isn't possible, mind you), SS is not affecting faerie cast times or delays.

The interface doesn't show the actual cooldown times, but use it on something long that's classified as a spell like Whispering Dawn, and it'll show the actual cooldown time (usually in the 56-58 range for most SCH). It only works on Embrace and WD, but they're the two most consistenly useful skills as well.

It's harder to notice on Embrace because you need enough for it to actually go down a full second for it to show 2 seconds.

[Ftail]

What case would you make for SS as a good healing stat for SCH?

Other than the obvious... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCDT4bNLla8

Imagine a DPS fucks up and needs to be raised during a fight, he raises at a VERY BAD TIME, and an AOE is coming out to kill him again, being able to aldo the DPS before the raid damage takes place saves him from dying again.

That is just one example, I can think of a dozen other examples where higher SS would help out with healing.

[Cynfael]

Other than the obvious... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCDT4bNLla8

Imagine a DPS fucks up and needs to be raised during a fight, he raises at a VERY BAD TIME, and an AOE is coming out to kill him again, being able to aldo the DPS before the raid damage takes place saves him from dying again.

That is just one example, I can think of a dozen other examples where higher SS would help out with healing.

I don't want to harp on this too much since my goal isn't to gang up on you, but I would just emphasize how extremely miniscule the casting time and GCD reduction benefit is for how much SpS you need to stack and then call attention again to how virtually every encounter in this game is choreographed to an extremely high degree. Besides, the majority of mistakes are either very survivable or very lethal, and casting ~0.1-0.2 seconds faster is probably not going to make the difference in the latter case (if you do react immediately and have a shot at saving the person who screwed up, you're probably going to choose an oGCD tool if you have one up, anyway).

While it's possible to have an oddball situation where that smidge of added SpS makes a positive impact healing-wise, it's exceedingly unlikely. The primary benefit of SpS, as has been discussed in this thread, is for DoT/HoT effects and for chaining hard casts. I don't have a problem with SpS from a DPS perspective, but I maintain that you could strip SCH down to base SpS and be challenged to notice any difference in how you heal, especially if you're anticipating and not healing purely on reaction.

[Ftail]

I don't have a problem with SpS from a DPS perspective...

This "ganging up" thing isn't your fault, it's me being taken out of context by someone else. You aren't the one putting words in my mouth or taking me out of context, you are actually having a conversation with me. While I enjoy our exchanges and I feel you are being sincere without taking advantage of me, which I highly respect you for that. Another person is taking our conversation out of context while tactfully ignoring the points I have made, all the while pretending to have addressed them.

every encounter in this game is choreographed to an extremely high degree.

That's exactly why I think healing is an absolute joke in this game. Because everything is choreographed it makes it an absolute joke to heal, I'll never need that extra crit rating to do my job well. However, I am judged in pugs as to how much DPS I do in savage raids which is my main reason to spec SS.

Until content that is created that actually makes me struggle with healing groups and I'm not spending the majority of my time dealing damage, I'll consider changing my build.