Again the regen thing! Wasn't it gone and done?

[Jib]

If you pull 3 mobs then continue to run to get other 3 mobs I will put a regen after the first pack. If I don't your health will be at mid when you get to the second pack. As a WHM then I will 3x holy which will stun them. Plenty of time for you to get the agro back.
I do agree doing regen before pre pull of first pack is silly. Wait until first "flash" and then do it.

(WHM main)

[Hen-Hen]

If you pull 3 mobs then continue to run to get other 3 mobs I will put a regen after the first pack. If I don't your health will be at mid when you get to the second pack. As a WHM then I will 3x holy which will stun them. Plenty of time for you to get the agro back.
I do agree doing regen before pre pull of first pack is silly. Wait until first "flash" and then do it.

(WHM main)

If I were your tank I'd see that regen and click it off before I reached the second pack, because everything I can't get with my first gcd will come and eat you if I do not, disrupting the pull and screwing up clustering for dps aoe.

If I were playing healer, I'd instead use direct heals to keep the tank going until it was holyspam time, as they generate next to no threat compared to a regen.

[Snow_Princess]

If I were your tank I'd see that regen and click it off before I reached the second pack, because everything I can't get with my first gcd will come and eat you if I do not, disrupting the pull and screwing up clustering for dps aoe.

That is only for pulling more then 2 groups or huge mega pulls. I had no issues in leveling DFs with whms doing what Jib is saying. It is a lot easier to time unleash/flash with them coming in your direction with you stopped. When you need run forward and they are running to you, there is much higher chance of one being missed.

[Sacred_Nym]

Even though I know it's a bad thing to do, there's so many times I've been in dungeons and tanks just won't pull until I Regen/Diurnal Benefic them. I don't know why but it's become alarmingly common in roulettes lately.

[otarolgam]

Even though I know it's a bad thing to do, there's so many times I've been in dungeons and tanks just won't pull until I Regen/Diurnal Benefic them. I don't know why but it's become alarmingly common in roulettes lately.

OMG, if that's the reason I'm getting pregen'd all the time, I'm glad I stopped tanking...

[MisterLucie]

If I were your tank I'd see that regen and click it off before I reached the second pack, because everything I can't get with my first gcd will come and eat you if I do not, disrupting the pull and screwing up clustering for dps aoe.

If I were playing healer, I'd instead use direct heals to keep the tank going until it was holyspam time, as they generate next to no threat compared to a regen.

What direct heals are you using on the run between packs, exactly? The only instant heal a WHM has (outside of Benediction) is Tetra which has a minute long CD.

[Mirateski]

What direct heals are you using on the run between packs, exactly? The only instant heal a WHM has (outside of Benediction) is Tetra which has a minute long CD.

You have plenty of time to pause, hardcast a cure/cure2, and keep up with the tank. I've successfully hardcast cure2 twice on the first pull in ala mhigo without losing the tank. This is assuming you're both either a) sprinting or b) not sprinting, it's much much easier if only the healer is sprinting.

Prepull regens drive me up the wall. Yes, I can deal with the wonky wibbly aggro but I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. Just like I can deal with a SAM's huge epeen aggro because they didn't use diversion but I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. If I'm pulling enough that I'll be nearly dead by the end, you bet your ass I'm planning to use hallowed ground just after I stop. If I'm not, there's no point using a regen anyway. If a tank uses cooldowns properly and pulls respective of their gear level, there is never any need to pregen. Ever. (Save for maybe in savage but then it's one mob I'm shield lobbing so it DOESNT EVEN MATTER)

Sounds like the people defending the bad healers here are the ones who need to git gud and stop trying to feel smug and superior when someone complains about a legitimately bad tactic in large dungeon pulls.

EDIT to add: and if there's less than a minute between packs that you can't use tetra during pull if that's your heal of choice, holy shit, I wanna buy your dps?

[Hen-Hen]

What direct heals are you using on the run between packs, exactly? The only instant heal a WHM has (outside of Benediction) is Tetra which has a minute long CD.

I'm using cure 2/benefic 2 if I don't have an instant up but usually I do, whm also has benison at 70. So long as my tank isn't undergeared (which in a pug environment it might be and if they were they wouldn't be big pulling) that would be enough. You need to make sure you're keeping up, and aware of mobs threat ranges so you can sometimes push ahead enough to keep in range while casting a cure. There are lots of tools available to make this work.

[Aife]

I've been guilty of this on more than one occasion, I have to admit.

I think I struggle with the correct timing when the tank doesn't really provide any indication as to how many mobs they intend on plowing through before they stop to let the group catch up... I don't typically throw Regen up at the start of something, but I'll usually hit it once the first group of mobs has been pulled/flashed. More often that not though, I get tanks yelling at me if I refresh my Regen towards the end of a "group" of mobs when they intend on barreling straight into the next group. /shrug

Either way; I always find it funny when I see these rants. I get that people can be defensive, but if you're noticing something and it's giving you enough frustration that you feel the need to hop on a message board and rant about it after the fact - You may be better served saying something to the person doing it when it happens? (Politely.)

[MisterLucie]

angry words

A) I didn't say anything about using regen before pulls. I was responding to someone talking about using regen after the first pack is pulled to keep the tank healthy as they're dragging mobs along. Doing so allows you to instantly swiftcast holy, aero 3, assize, holy, holy without having to waste time and dps casting unneeded cure 2s to frantically get your tank topped back off once they stop.

B) I routinely run my dungeons with a tank who pulls 3+ groups at a time and maybe once in a blue moon will I ever get even a split second of aggro (which also immediately gets snatched back to the tank) when throwing up a regen halfway through the pull. Maybe you do actually need to git gud if you're having that much trouble? We've been doing these same dungeons for months now, you should know when you're going to need to aoe aggro and where you're going to need to be positioned to hit everything with it. A single regen tick shouldn't be messing anyone up at this point.