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    FoodAspectedPrimal's Avatar
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    skill speed doesn't have diminishing returns on any class. its an exponential growth. the problem is that with the calculations as they are now, it's difficult to reach the numbers where it exceeds other substats.
    That being said, due to the nature of Riddle of Fire being your "burst phase", you need as much skill speed as you can stuff into your gear to offset the speed penalty.

    Regarding crit, in most cases, it's not a great stat. it's growth suffers from exponential decay this expansion. That being said, Monk rates Crit as it's highest substat due to the Deep Meditation trait.

    On a Monk, Direct Hit is actually one of your lowest substat weights, and should more or less be ignored.

    Your priority of substats is as follows:

    Crit > SkS > DH > Det
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    Enitzu Zen'yr
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoodAspectedPrimal View Post
    Your priority of substats is as follows:

    Crit > SkS > DH > Det
    I'd say people need to start rechecking their research. None of the top monks are pushing SkS. It's waste with current available numbers. The priority is Crit > DH > Det > SkS currently. Some are putting SkS over Det but either way you really dont want to pick up more than like 1k of each anyway
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    Kyoshiro Senpai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariyn View Post
    I'd say people need to start rechecking their research. None of the top monks are pushing SkS. It's waste with current available numbers. The priority is Crit > DH > Det > SkS currently. Some are putting SkS over Det but either way you really dont want to pick up more than like 1k of each anyway
    First : Go on fflogs, pick some of top MNK on several fights, then go to the Lodestone and try to check their gear set. You'll see that most are going with a heavy crit as a very priority. Then, you can find tons of different builds. Sadly, the stat weights AREN'T RELAESED YET, so everything that you'll claim will be only speculations.
    Second :One of the reason why stat weights aren't released yet is because of the complexity of how SkS scale with the other substats. (at least from what I understood, and I'm not a math expert)
    Third : No one here said you should go full SkS, just that you shouldn't avoid completely this substat. Just like any other substats to my opinion.
    Four : Trust me, you can give a shitty gear set to a top MNK, he/she will still be on top. Knowledge of the fight/positionnals/buff raids optimization are more important than having THE BiS.
    To prove I don't need to recheck my research, here are some links :
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tats_compared/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...n_spreadsheet/

    Those guys (The Theoryjerks), are working days and nights to give us a way to find our BiS easily, so yeah, I will trust them more than anyone else

    Hi All,

    What is the ideal skill speed for monk? By this i mean at what point does it start showing diminishing returns? 1000 skill speed?

    Also for Crit, whats the best spot for this before we invest more in direct hit?
    In addition, SkS is also a question of feeling. I personnally prefer when my GCD is shorter than 2.40/2.39 without GL3 otherwise, I feel slow AF (you need 1049 SkS for this : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XG8/edit#gid=0).

    So in the end, to my opinion, I would say to go Crit first because of Deep Meditation, then try to get to the SkS required for the GCD YOU want, and then try to get a decent amount of DH and Det (with a slight priority for DH maybe ?)
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    Last edited by Fireselecta; 08-18-2017 at 09:44 PM.