Monk 's Riddle of Fire feels awful to use

[FoodAspectedPrimal]

Monk has always been a Job that thrived on the flow of it's abilities. More so than other jobs, when you played it, you felt fast and fluid. The constant re-positioning, the buildup of attack speed, you may not have hit the hardest per shot, but it felt incredibly clean to play, and that was the appeal for myself and thousand of other players for the past 4 years.

One of the biggest selling points for this expansion was the idea that the Dev team would "breathe new life into existing jobs", which, they did with most classes. Some classes, however, such as Monk, saw the life sucked out of them. Deep Meditation and Brotherhood are fine, if a little under-tuned. Riddle of Earth would be useless if not for the Greased Lightning reset, so it's at least passable. Riddle of Fire, however, if awful. Sure, it's a DPS increase, but the attack speed penalty kills the flow of the class, and every time one uses it, they find themselves wanting it to end as soon as possible.

[FoodAspectedPrimal]

They claimed they would breathe new life into the Jobs. Monk is one of the poster boys for the xpac, and all they did was suck life out of it in exchange for some more uppercuts. It's not a worthwhile trade. For the vast majority of players, a Job being fun is infinitely more important than the job doing high DPS. Riddle of Fire does not contribute to this ideal.

[Kabooa]

Every monk I've talked to loves Riddle of Fire, so this is a sweeping generalization at best.

[FoodAspectedPrimal]

You've spoken to very few monks then.
A select few people will like it, for sure. However, those people only care about the damage it gives them, rather than how it feels to use.

[Critical-Limit]

Every monk I've talked to loves Riddle of Fire, so this is a sweeping generalization at best.

On the opposite all the monks I know hate the mechanic of riddle of fire but are satisfied with dps end of it.

Anectodal is anectodal

[Kabooa]

On the opposite all the monks I know hate the mechanic of riddle of fire but are satisfied with dps end of it.

Anectodal is anectodal

Yes.

That's the point.

Claiming something and supporting that view via 'these people said' is invalid at best, especially when less than 1% of the active subscriptions are represented on this forum.

[Nagamasa_87]

I agree with you, i love RoF. Ppl act like they gave monks cast bar charged attacks or something. Lol

[FoodAspectedPrimal]

I agree with you, i love RoF. Ppl act like they gave monks cast bar charged attacks or something. Lol

I for one would welcome a cast bar charged attack on Monk. That would feel impactful. It's one of the most enjoyable parts of Samurai, after all. Riddle of Fire is not impactful. There's no buildup to it, no sensible pacing. It's clunky, even if it is functional.

[bobbot]

RoF adds a nice marked change-up in the flow of the fight. It breaks the pace up into something slower and harder. Pair RoF with Brotherhood and get some Forbidden Chakras to weave with, along with the majority, if not all, other oGCDs that sync with RoF timing. You get to double-weave so much, which is rare for us while GL3 is up. It actually feels faster paced, and I feel pressed to fit everything into that window. And when infusion of strength is off cooldown, much wow. I feel like each hit has so much more oomph during RoF/Brotherhood. I love it.

I for one would welcome a cast bar charged attack on Monk.

Wouldn't a cast bar attack feel more clunky as it interrupts the flow of GCD/oGCDs? I would not enjoy introducing an animation lock into a fast and fluid class.

[FoodAspectedPrimal]

RoF adds a nice marked change-up in the flow of the fight. Wouldn't a cast bar attack feel more clunky as it interrupts the flow of GCD/oGCDs? I would not enjoy introducing an animation lock into a fast and fluid class.

so long as the cast bar is shorter than or equal to the global cooldown, it would be acceptable when you have no OGCDs off cooldown. In truth I don't actually want any cast bars on Monk. I simply humoured the idea since it was brought up, as a way to compare and prove my original point. Even a cast bar weaponskill would feel better than Riddle of Fire.