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    Mirakumi's Avatar
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    Real Talk: Sch Creation Book - Opinions wanted.

    So I normally have to PuG a lot, and I found myself winning the tome in 2, and then the upgrade to 240 in 3.

    Basically, I was wondering is it even worth it?

    The stats seem bland when you compare them to Savage 4 but I don't know if I'll get a steady pug to ever beat/win 4.

    IDK I feel like it would be a waste to use the items on the creation sch book but I'm wanting a second opinion on this if possible.

    Please and thank you.
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    Last edited by Mirakumi; 08-18-2017 at 07:38 AM.

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    Vyriah Altaisen
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    It's a matter of SS vs crit' and it's not necceserly that easy.

    SS affect your DoT, wich makes a lot of your DPS, the other part being how much Broil 2 you can fit into the fight while keeping miasma and bio and not letting every one die for simple beauty of flying little explosions. Wich means, it's certainly not worthless especially since you have to stack crit for it to start being effective and you won't be using your shields too much unless you really like not having mana.

    If you want more DPS number, that may be a pick.
    Healing wise, I'm not sure it'll do wonders (I'm actually quite sure it won't) since SS doesn't affect your instant burst heals.
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    I got the cane last week due to a combination of no healer drops for our static so far coupled with the DPS not being interested in the tome weapon. It made decently noticeable difference for me but then the cane's secondaries are very decent =(

    I'm not the greatest fan of Spell Speed, but it's a modest DPS gain for your dots as well as broils so it's certainly not a wasted stat. If you've got any left side genji pieces so far, I'd be inclined to buy the weapon. If not and you're still feeling a lack of vit/mdef, it's a harder choice.
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    Yesunova Hotgo
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    I've typically taken the approach of picking crit gear where I can. I've generally loved getting more Adlo/Succor crits, because they are a thing of beauty. I think I managed to push about 22% during Heavensward, with two or three upgrades I wanted, I'd have pushed 24-25%. At least based on the crit calculators I used at the time.

    But as said, more SS means more DPS and you may decide you'd rather balance it more. I've just generally favoured crit. But my Scholar is currently using the Susano Ex weapon. But then Scholar is more of a secondary class for me these days as RDM replaced it in SB.
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    I didn't bother with it. I have the Susano ex weapon, and that has better secondary stats if you're gearing mainly for healing...and after doing some math upgrading my helm, gloves and ring instead of getting a new weapon yielded far more stats.
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    I'm decided to not got for the creation codex. Currently, if you have a good party, DoTs only make about 10-20% of our damage and spellspeed mostly affects DoT damage. Somehow the casting time is not really noticeable. Therefore I won't go for it. If you're really optimizing for damage, I think DH and Crit are the way to go. I personally only go for Crit and Det currently, to increase my Crit(lo) and base heals, while increase damage as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    I've typically taken the approach of picking crit gear where I can. I've generally loved getting more Adlo/Succor crits, because they are a thing of beauty. [...]
    Just wanted to mention that Succor does unfortunately not benefit from a crit, as Adlo does. It's still only the amount healed (which makes it so much inferior to a Noctunal Aspect Helios).
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    Ceasaria Pheonixia
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    For me, it's : DH > Crit >> Det >>> SS >>>>>>>>>> Pie
    So, choose the book with crit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    For me, it's : DH > Crit >> Det >>> SS >>>>>>>>>> Pie
    So, choose the book with crit.
    Direct Hit is the worst secondary for healers full stop. You're not going to spend 100% of your time DPSing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyriah View Post
    If you want more DPS number, that may be a pick.
    Healing wise, I'm not sure it'll do wonders (I'm actually quite sure it won't) since SS doesn't affect your instant burst heals.
    Yeah, I'm not really focused on DPS numbers. (But yes it is a bonus to hear - thanks!) I was more or less just curious if SS does anything to help the healing aspect. It affects the GCD right? So would it affect Indom? No right? Hmm, Spell speed has always been an awkward choice. It doesn't increase MP efficiency. If spell speed allows to cast X% more spells, it will also consuming MP at a X% faster rate and MP right now is iffy in the SCH aspect.

    But there is a ton of PIE on the book as well? To compensate? Idk, It is iffy.

    Edit:
    To throw this out there,
    I have most of the right side filled out now. So accessories are in the good.
    It's the left that is mostly impartial.
    lodestone:http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...cter/11436808/
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    Last edited by Mirakumi; 08-18-2017 at 10:41 PM.

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    Thea Sitori
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    Every raid tier, one healer will get stuck with the PIE/DET raid weapon. Creator it was Scholar, now it's White Mage with the Genji Cane. *chuckle*

    SpS is still in my opinion the least desirable on AST damage, because they only have one DoT, and of course raid healing is scripted so even changing the balance of SpS can warrant some adjustments. SCH has the most DoTs so SpS advantage is at-least felt, and I'd still have it over DET when possible. But most of all, ilevel is going to reign supreme here over secondaries.

    Also, Direct Hit is a good healer meld for healer DPS, as you need to be above character base to even "activate" it. Most raiders will have Bard Battle Voice to activate DH during buff windows, but it's good to have the chance outside of such even if it's just a meld or two.
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