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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    I get when you have a disability many places tend to cater to you and when one doesn't you can feel slighted. But come on, chill. It's not all about you.
    This phrase alone is a CLEAR indicator that you actually have absolutely no idea what it's like to live with a disability. Almost hilariously ironic too, if it wasn't so shortsighted and tone deaf.

    Dismissing someone's argument and experiences because they're different than your own is way, way worse than what you're accusing the OP of doing.
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    In 3.x, Cover was useless and everyone wanted a gap closer. In 4.x, gap closers are useless and everyone wants Cover.

  2. #182
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    Y'kayah Tia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
    I am throwing my hands up at this point being fed up and saying at this point 'It is not me, there is no reason I should put this much effort into trying to select something when no effort is put in to show the different gear better"
    No effort?
    You had several places to see the difference, and they're not all equally affected by dyslexia.
    For one, the words you failed to distinguish are "Ring" and "Bracelet". Even if your condition makes the letters hard to distinguish, you can still go by the length and overall shape of words, and one of those words is twice as long as the other.
    Those words appeared multiple places, any of which you could have checked. It's within the name of the item (both on the vendor's list and the tooltip), and it's also the name of the item type shown on the tooltip just under the icon.
    Speaking of icons, there's another couple indicators of the difference. If you have trouble making out the words, then go by the pictures. The vendor's list shows the icons for each item type along with the name, and the icon for bracelet slot items is quite different than the icon for ring slot items:

    Then the tooltip has the icon for the item itself:

    Those are very different, though admittedly you wouldn't be as familiar with them. If you want familiarity, the slot icons are distinct enough and you've been seeing those ones since the day you first started playing this game.
    And finally, most players by this point are familiar with the order in which gear is listed. If you simply knew that the ones on the bottom are rings and the ones above that are bracelets, that could also have prevented the error. (Admittedly, relying solely on this last one would be susceptible to error if SE ever changed their sorting pattern, but they haven't yet.)

    The gear names are chosen to be very easy to sort out. They each have three pieces of information in a regular, predictable pattern: what set the piece goes with, what slot it's for, and what role it's for. Some players may complain about that uniformity as boring, but it's there to make identification easier.

    You know when purchasing gear that those are the three things to look for, and each is available multiple ways, including in the item's name.
    Set: First part of the item's name. Also recognizable by its Item Level. And generally known by the fact that it will be the set bought in this place for this currency at this price...
    Slot: Middle part of the item's name. Also identified by the item type listed on the tooltip. Also identified by the item type icon on the vendor list. And can be known by the position where it's sorted within that list.
    Role: Final part of the item's name. Also recognizable by which stats it boosts. Also recognizable by the list of jobs that can equip it. (In many cases, this can also create a warning if you try to buy items for a job you're not currently on.)

    You simply need to be sure you've double checked each of those three things before you purchase. They're each available multiple ways, so you can pick whichever of those ways is least disrupted by your dyslexia.
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    Last edited by Niwashi; 09-06-2017 at 05:36 AM.

  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernosaur View Post
    This phrase alone is a CLEAR indicator that you actually have absolutely no idea what it's like to live with a disability. Almost hilariously ironic too, if it wasn't so shortsighted and tone deaf.

    Dismissing someone's argument and experiences because they're different than your own is way, way worse than what you're accusing the OP of doing.
    I actually do. I have some severe back and leg problems that prevent me from sitting for long periods of time and can sometimes put me flat on my back for days at a time. Couple that with an anxiety disorder. But I don't fault the desk makers for making desks to cater to people who can sit in chairs for a long time. Nor do I complain to SE that they have content that can sometimes take long periods of time that I just cannot do because I cannot sit for that long without my back going to hell. I have learned to live with it and change my lifestyle to fit in with my disability, not vice versa. And I am never demanding about things having to change solely for my benefit and the benefit of the few similar to me. If there is a request that I feel should be made, I do so like an adult.

    But assumptions are swell aren't they.

    Dismissing someone's argument and experiences because they're different than your own is way, way worse...I believe is what you said.
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    Last edited by MicahZerrshia; 09-06-2017 at 08:14 AM.

  4. #184
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Atomos
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    Just to chime in, the devs in the JP forums actually acknolwedged this problem (or rather one that is closely related) and promised that they'll work towards having it clearer for people unfamiliar with the exchanges.

    The original thread was about how all the exchange lists are hidden behind indescript dialogue options like "Poetics DoW 1", "Poetics DoW 2", etc. and it was difficult for newbies trying to find the right place to exchange stuff without consulting an external 3rd party guide in the first place, then all the things are scattered everywhere instead of grouping all the tank stuff in one list, all healer stuff in one list, etc. Along the way, it was also mentioned that thet names are so similar it's easy for a newbie to exchange the wrong tier of gear or upgrade materials.

    To be fair, the exchange menus in FFXIV are really weird. They were very obviously set up by someone who didn't play the game for long and paid absolutely no thought to the people who actually will be using them, and that can be said about virtually all aspects of the FFXIV UI, or rather, that can be said about Japanese game interface design in general. Usability is a major weakness in Japanese games.

    Hopefully, at least by 5.0, they'll do away with weird arrangements like this. Then we won't need to sell-back wrong purchases.
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    “There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  5. #185
    Player Snow_Princess's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    Just to chime in, the devs in the JP forums actually acknolwedged this problem (or rather one that is closely related) and promised that they'll work towards having it clearer for people unfamiliar with the exchanges.
    The original thread was about how all the exchange lists are hidden behind indescript dialogue options like "Poetics DoW 1", "Poetics DoW 2", etc. and it was difficult for newbies trying to find the right place to exchange stuff without consulting an external 3rd party guide in the first place, then all the things are scattered everywhere instead of grouping all the tank stuff in one list, all healer stuff in one list, etc. Along the way, it was also mentioned that thet names are so similar it's easy for a newbie to exchange the wrong tier of gear or upgrade materials.

    To be fair, the exchange menus in FFXIV are really weird. They were very obviously set up by someone who didn't play the game for long and paid absolutely no thought to the people who actually will be using them, and that can be said about virtually all aspects of the FFXIV UI, or rather, that can be said about Japanese game interface design in general. Usability is a major weakness in Japanese games.

    Hopefully, at least by 5.0, they'll do away with weird arrangements like this. Then we won't need to sell-back wrong purchases.
    I agree, I had a hard has hell time when I first hit 60. It was too hard to figuring out where everything was, having to run to NPCs not even near each other be the upgrade stuff.

    Also as said before I do not get the DW I and DW II, and would go to DW II for a long time to get healer stuff (because to me warrior = combat, I knew the W meant warrior and that is all I understood at the time), Keep in mind I only did crafting for a long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    I actually do. I have some severe back and leg problems that prevent me from sitting for long periods of time and can sometimes put me flat on my back for days at a time. Couple that with an anxiety disorder. But I don't fault the desk makers for making desks to cater to people who can sit in chairs for a long time. Nor do I complain to SE that they have content that can sometimes take long periods of time that I just cannot do because I cannot sit for that long without my back going to hell. I have learned to live with it and change my lifestyle to fit in with my disability, not vice versa. And I am never demanding about things having to change solely for my benefit and the benefit of the few similar to me. If there is a request that I feel should be made, I do so like an adult.

    But assumptions are swell aren't they.

    Dismissing someone's argument and experiences because they're different than your own is way, way worse...I believe is what you said.
    Does not change your post to me was extremely rude, and also it is a different situation. Dismissing an issue with mental based disabilities just because you got over or have physical ones is way out in left field there. Maybe you are the one that "tldr: frame your argument better " (PS I have back problems too, i lay to play the game off a laptop, so you are assuming others here do not have that because they do not talk about it, but guess what? it is off topic, that is why it is not bought up)

    Also you missed the implied meaning, you do not know what it is like to have this disability being talked about, because if you did, you wouldn't be so rude and offensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    No effort?
    You had several places to see the difference, and they're not all equally affected by dyslexia.
    For one, the words you failed to distinguish are "Ring" and "Bracelet". Even if your condition makes the letters hard to distinguish, you can still go by the length and overall shape of words, and one of those words is twice as long as the other.
    Those words appeared multiple places, any of which you could have checked. It's within the name of the item (both on the vendor's list and the tooltip), and it's also the name of the item type shown on the tooltip just under the icon.
    Speaking of icons, there's another couple indicators of the difference. If you have trouble making out the words, then go by the pictures. The vendor's list shows the icons for each item type along with the name, and the icon for bracelet slot items is quite different than the icon for ring slot items:

    Then the tooltip has the icon for the item itself:

    Those are very different, though admittedly you wouldn't be as familiar with them. If you want familiarity, the slot icons are distinct enough and you've been seeing those ones since the day you first started playing this game.
    And finally, most players by this point are familiar with the order in which gear is listed. If you simply knew that the ones on the bottom are rings and the ones above that are bracelets, that could also have prevented the error. (Admittedly, relying solely on this last one would be susceptible to error if SE ever changed their sorting pattern, but they haven't yet.)

    The gear names are chosen to be very easy to sort out. They each have three pieces of information in a regular, predictable pattern: what set the piece goes with, what slot it's for, and what role it's for. Some players may complain about that uniformity as boring, but it's there to make identification easier.

    You know when purchasing gear that those are the three things to look for, and each is available multiple ways, including in the item's name.
    Set: First part of the item's name. Also recognizable by its Item Level. And generally known by the fact that it will be the set bought in this place for this currency at this price...
    Slot: Middle part of the item's name. Also identified by the item type listed on the tooltip. Also identified by the item type icon on the vendor list. And can be known by the position where it's sorted within that list.
    Role: Final part of the item's name. Also recognizable by which stats it boosts. Also recognizable by the list of jobs that can equip it. (In many cases, this can also create a warning if you try to buy items for a job you're not currently on.)

    You simply need to be sure you've double checked each of those three things before you purchase. They're each available multiple ways, so you can pick whichever of those ways is least disrupted by your dyslexia.
    You are not getting it, it gets mixed up because they are too alike. I thought I was on the ring and buying the ring.
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    Last edited by Snow_Princess; 09-12-2017 at 05:06 AM.

  6. #186
    Player Snow_Princess's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    Just to chime in, the devs in the JP forums actually acknolwedged this problem (or rather one that is closely related) and promised that they'll work towards having it clearer for people unfamiliar with the exchanges.
    The original thread was about how all the exchange lists are hidden behind indescript dialogue options like "Poetics DoW 1", "Poetics DoW 2", etc. and it was difficult for newbies trying to find the right place to exchange stuff without consulting an external 3rd party guide in the first place, then all the things are scattered everywhere instead of grouping all the tank stuff in one list, all healer stuff in one list, etc. Along the way, it was also mentioned that thet names are so similar it's easy for a newbie to exchange the wrong tier of gear or upgrade materials.

    To be fair, the exchange menus in FFXIV are really weird. They were very obviously set up by someone who didn't play the game for long and paid absolutely no thought to the people who actually will be using them, and that can be said about virtually all aspects of the FFXIV UI, or rather, that can be said about Japanese game interface design in general. Usability is a major weakness in Japanese games.

    Hopefully, at least by 5.0, they'll do away with weird arrangements like this. Then we won't need to sell-back wrong purchases.
    One more thing, even if they do this, they really should adjust the system restore policy, it is way too strict.
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