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  1. #141
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    No, OP is making a terrible idea here.

    Materia is sorted by color due to it's class of stats, and to make those sections of materia easier and quicker to find on MB. Also, trading of items for other items will screw up the games economy big time. Say, I got a Grasp VI materia when I was hoping for a Guile VI. It wouldn't be right to be able to exchange them. One sells for $100k while the other sometimes exceeds $1m.
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  2. #142
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    Not to mention that a quarter of the servers population would have to be given GM access to make all those exchanges, because believe me, if one could trade in a grasp VI or a cunning VI materia for a guile VI or command VI, the whole server would be waiting in line each day to do it!
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  3. #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon View Post
    Not to mention that a quarter of the servers population would have to be given GM access to make all those exchanges, because believe me, if one could trade in a grasp VI or a cunning VI materia for a guile VI or command VI, the whole server would be waiting in line each day to do it!
    So extend it to non-tradeable items only. Tradeable items such as materia, keep it so if you buy the wrong one, you sell it on the MB. But let's say you buy the lost allagan coat of healing instead of casting, make it so you can trade that back, as it can't be sold on the marketboard or traded with other players.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  4. #144
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    So extend it to non-tradeable items only. Tradeable items such as materia, keep it so if you buy the wrong one, you sell it on the MB. But let's say you buy the lost allagan coat of healing instead of casting, make it so you can trade that back, as it can't be sold on the marketboard or traded with other players.
    Perhaps... But only if it's an unused item, however, it'd just be easier to equip whatever class you intend to buy for, because, then the game will prompt you with a " are you sure you want to make this purchase because you cannot currently use the item." I think, still, what's in place is good enough, because in the gears attributes, it shows what it's for, and if your current class can use it, the class identifier will be in green instead of red.

    I also make these arguements being a person of low vision with roughly 10% sight in my good eye of someone with 20/20 vision. If I can get around this hurdle, I'm sure you all can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon View Post
    I think, still, what's in place is good enough, because in the gears attributes, it shows what it's for, and if your current class can use it, the class identifier will be in green instead of red.
    Screenshot in a spoiler tag so that they're not so garishly appearing unless people wanna see them





    There's a small colour change that could easily be missed. And the pop-up warning says the same thing for both whether it's for your class but you lack the level, or for if it's the wrong class. Personally, I wouldn't say that's enough.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon View Post
    Not to mention that a quarter of the servers population would have to be given GM access to make all those exchanges, because believe me, if one could trade in a grasp VI or a cunning VI materia for a guile VI or command VI, the wholeserver would be waiting in line each day to do it!
    You clearly are not understanding. Why would you trade in a cluster to get a "Grasp VI materia" when you want a a "Guile VI" ????

    It is NOT EASY! to find on the MB that is the thing! because the names are too alike, the recycled icons, they should be a different color, different name, or simply make it "haste" because skill speed and spell speed do the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon View Post
    Perhaps... But only if it's an unused item, however, it'd just be easier to equip whatever class you intend to buy for, because, then the game will prompt you with a " are you sure you want to make this purchase because you cannot currently use the item." I think, still, what's in place is good enough, because in the gears attributes, it shows what it's for, and if your current class can use it, the class identifier will be in green instead of red.

    I also make these arguements being a person of low vision with roughly 10% sight in my good eye of someone with 20/20 vision. If I can get around this hurdle, I'm sure you all can.
    Yeah your clearly not understanding what this thread i talking about.

    Last part you are being very insulting, why do people do this? Having vision problems in one eye =/= Dyslexia. It is like injuring your leg really badly and after months of therapy able walk again, only to walk to someone fully paralyzed from waist down saying "you can walk if you try hard enough" majorly insulting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Screenshot in a spoiler tag so that they're not so garishly appearing unless people wanna see them





    There's a small colour change that could easily be missed. And the pop-up warning says the same thing for both whether it's for your class but you lack the level, or for if it's the wrong class. Personally, I wouldn't say that's enough.
    Of course it isn't. He is commenting without understanding the point of the thread or the issue.
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    Last edited by Snow_Princess; 08-29-2017 at 06:01 AM.

  7. #147
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    I'm definitely not against the idea of needing/wanting a temporary buyback system on bound goods. To that extent, I do feel it would be nothing but a positive move.

    That said however, anything else regarding a shortcoming of being dyslexic is unnecessary. Accountability is a thing. If you mess up, be it due to a disability, natural mistake, or a combination of things, then own up to it. The world will not bend over for you because of your problems. I live with a quadriplegic relative, of whom we all (including him) speak bluntly about the situation. I feel no remorse doing the same here. If he messes up something due to his shortcomings, he's not going to blame someone else for it or expect them to change something that associates with his mistake, assuming it wasn't a wrongful fault of theirs. People without dyslexia are not flawless, and even if you didn't have that, neither would you be. Your own carelessness was at play, but amplified by your shortcoming. Extra precaution should be an expectation for someone in your situation. It's not a matter that you CAN'T get it right, it's that you were understandably careless... no different than your peers, who conversely don't have much of an excuse.

    Again, this is not pertaining to the bound buyback system request, of which I do support. This is pertaining to the catering demand being done. That's right, OP was a passive aggressive demand. You don't start off a topic by saying "<insert name> is not friendly to <insert group>" and think some form of attack is not being made. It's a simple breakdown of arguments. Your haste suggestion, for example, has more to it than simple name change and removal of an item. Even in WoW, that haste change required a system/mechanic change to function, as there were things like Spell Haste before. I do think this game would benefit from a combining of the stats to one unified form, akin to WoW, but for gameplay function reasons, rather than simply because the names/image looks the same or similar. It is unfortunate for anyone to have to deal with dyslexia, but unless the game is marketed as such, I wouldn't expect much catering to be done on the matter since it's not an obligation. If you can play this game, then your situation is not as bad as some others would be.
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  8. #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    Snip.
    While I understand your point (although I don't necessarily agree with it), it is very true that the naming conventions of this game and the User Experience design is kinda garbage. Naming most gear for Disciple of Magic the same thing except for "of Healing" or "of Casting" is honestly a terrible idea. WHY are we forced to double and triple check what the hell we're buying because the names don't differentiate items enough? Like, objectively speaking, this is terrible, terrible user experience design. I don't have any learning disability or disorder and I've messed up in buying the right gear more than once.

    And talking about user experience, don't even get me started on all the dumb and unnecessarily complicated steps you have to take in order to get a tome weapon, or in order to upgrade tome gear.

    Seriously, there's a LOT of things horribly designed in these menus, it's in the entire playerbase's best interest to be critical about it.


    Finally, speaking of things that are horribly punishing for people with some kind of visual disability, some mechanics are awful, and I really do mean awful for colorblind people. One of my close friends ends up awfully frustrated with a bunch of mechanics that differentiate each other through colors because she's colorblind, and it's also usually a mechanic that will outright kill you if you mess it up.

    I think we can all agree that there's some things the game could change to provide a better UE. Sticking to what we've had for four years just because is just conforming to mediocre UI design.
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    In 3.x, Cover was useless and everyone wanted a gap closer. In 4.x, gap closers are useless and everyone wants Cover.

  9. #149
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    To be fair if they didn't have to name 100s of new pieces of gear every 3 months they could be more creative with names.

    But unless you want the gear treadmill the slow to a grind, try coming up with lists of names for all this gear consistently. And I think the attributes are actually lacking. I loved XIs system where there were tons of attributes that you had to take into consideration, they have it super simplified already.

    Also I don't see any changes in sight for anything like this. They cannot cater to everyone's disability or our characters would stand idly in a vacant field. It would be like me saying, I have clinical depression, please do not add anything sad or dramatic because it makes the game unplayable for me.

    A variety makes the game a lil more interesting and like I said, I think they have it very simplified already. Just take care when you are buying, I don't have dyslexia and I triple check before I buy. Especially when the warning box pops up.
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  10. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    That's right, OP was a passive aggressive demand. You don't start off a topic by saying "<insert name> is not friendly to <insert group>" and think some form of attack is not being made.
    ... No, that's exactly how one should start a topic, because it lends support to the idea of improving something. "Hey, this feature really harms the user experience for this group of users" is valuable input.

    Your first paragraph is a bit mind-blowing. Would you tell your quadriplegic relative to just suck it up and they should try harder next time when they try to walk but can't? That's essentially what you're saying to someone with severe dyslexia when you say to just be less "careless" (incredibly rude).
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