Okay, I'm gonna be THAT guy (re: HQ quest rewards)...

[RichardButte]

Do we really need to have the MSQ give HQ quest rewards...?

Most crafted items from 61-70 have been ground into the dust, price-wise. It's actually dramatically more profitable (or profitable at ALL) to make items from HW instead.

I'm all for giving people decent gear as they level, but the way these quests panned out, it basically gave everyone a HQ item for their main class and level, then another HQ item for a different class that probably went straight to the market board. I'd have no issue if these rewards were bind on pickup (like other MMOs usually do with quest rewards), but most of the MSQ is just handing people HQ market board fodder.

I'll probably get a lot of heat for this, and that's fine (controversial topics are basically my thing). It just stinks when you dump a bunch of gil into leveling and crafting/gathering gear only for most of the recipes from the latest expansion to not be anywhere near worth trying to sell.

[Darker_Midnight]

This is a normal thing? HQ gives people a taste of it through the MSQ (and sidequests), incentivizing players to desire HQ equipment as they play the game and boosting the player-crafted demand for when the new players eventually dry up and stop supplying these HQ quest rewards.

This was exactly what happened in HW. The cycle doesn't change.

Also with the Omega release you actually have incentive to go straight for the HQ 320 crafted gear, so your efforts AREN'T wasted. The raiding scene creates an economy for all manner of consumable supplies. People like crafting in anticipation of the next update.

Leve items are worth a lot. Component parts are worth a lot. GC HQ turn-ins are worth a lot.

There should be no issues. =3

[Moonlite]

It was the same model as HW. Also remember 270 gear lasts to almost 65. The gouging doesn't happen in the leveling gear. It happens in the vanity gear and lower stuff people don't make to level up on. It is great for desynthing if you know the mats and have the skill. But maybe in the future a green set designed for each zone would be a little cooler and generic gear in the leveling dungeon.

[LaylaTsarra]

I made of lot of money selling the quest items. Thank you SE, my alt on Gilga has enough to buy a small house in Shirogane.

[Krotoan]

I got 2 full sets of HQ gear to level my main and a secondary job. ... i still need armor for 66+ for any other jobs I'm leveling. I'm not seeing too much of a drop in price.. in fact the quest dropped HQ's are still well within profitable levels on my server. .. but then again.. that's just my server.

[TitaniaZero]

Uhm. On my server the 68-70 crafted items are an arm and a leg (Unless you think 200+k is not an arm and a leg). I have stopped leveling combat classes to level crafting classes so I can support those classes. I'm definitely not willing to pay for those prices. I'm barely willing to pay 50+k on the 62-68 lvl items (100+k if it's a weapon/belt/Right side)

I'm happy that I had enough HQ items from MSQ rewards for practically 2 classes. Well more like 4. As I lvled PLD first and Nin Second. So DRK and WAR are set.

Eitherway! I'm glad for this. For those that buy and sell them they are making gil.

[DarkDedede]

and PotD gives out glamours like candy. Nothing new here.

Whoever is in charge of "managing" the market, just loves to ruin big chunks of potential selling opportunities for crafters (assuming anyone on the dev team is even paying attention to how the market is affected).

Oh well, all the more to desynth with.

Now if only they'd "ruin" the market for toad leather and silver ingots, so all the glamour prism materials have an NPC merchant option.

[Snow_Princess]

On my server making most 320 is not worth doing, I just buy them esp if they are 100k or less. i can get my 20-40k profit with less effort on other things.

Also this is not new, even in 2.0 where you did not have HQ handouts, there was little demand for crafted combat gear. 2.0 -4.06, it never changed, the biggest money consistently is in gc/leve turn ins, selling crafted gear, and selling gathering gear. What you are seeing is evidence of a poor economic system in general from too much hand me stuff, only to top off how easy it is to undercut spam, making things cheaper then their value for the most part. The only exception I personally ran into is 3.4 to a few months after. With the normal mode and savage mode being released at the same time, I was told this gave a much stronger demand for the crafted gear.

The other issue in past expansions, is people did not get how gimp NQ gear is. I am not sure people understand it, maybe some are shocked but seeing people use the 250 NQ versions drove me nuts when the 235 you get for free and quickly, compared well to them and in the case of weapons flat out, outperformed them.

Also it is not purely the quests fault for the low pricing, people undercut spam each other too fast leading to rock bottom pricing. Even on crafted gear only this happens, like some of the lv 70 crafted stuff or the 320 stuff. I only make 320 stuff on request and if they give me the materials, and sometimes I make nice tips off it.

Also if you can't figure out how to make money leveling crafts, there are issues with your plans in going about doing so. Even with buying some leve turn ins, I always had profit each day by the end of the day. Why? Because I find stuff worth crafting no matter if it is level 1 or i320 while I do other things.

Do not be discouraged making low level gear, being higher level with better gear means you can craft them a lot faster, and yes it does matter.

[RichardButte]

Uhm. On my server the 68-70 crafted items are an arm and a leg

I'm ON your server: most of the HQ jewelry from 61-70 is less than 40k a piece, with many of them being under 20k.

Which items are over 200k because I want to start selling THOSE...

[TitaniaZero]

I'm ON your server: most of the HQ jewelry from 61-70 is less than 40k a piece, with many of them being under 20k.

Which items are over 200k because I want to start selling THOSE...

Hmmm I think it was WHM that I was like... Nope. Not buying from the MB! I'll make it. I'll have to now and go check. I know that was yesterday! And hi! A fellow Hyperion...ian?

Heck the Pallidum 320 Dex rings are nearing 300k! Well its fairely dropped from 800. Nice... Dex Imperial Jade is 60. Well pooh to you! I got Nin's rings elsewhere! Back when you were 100+!

There we are. Healing rings. 68. 166+ Ya. Not in this life time. I'll make them. XD

Edit: Hmm seems that things are upset over here. Somethings are cheap as heck. (Bracelet for 30k... Cheap. Still I'll make mine). Other things are over 160k. You might want to a pick a level and check the various roles. (I kinda miss WoW's TradeSkillMaster Addon.)

Edit 2~: Well well well. WHM sticks are going down in price. I suppose you can safely say things are getting cheaper. 150 Yesterday. 115 today. But then being on this server you should very well know this is common. Soon (Not THAT soon) the next teir of crafted shit will happen and things will cost millions for several months. I'm looking at you Ironworks Crafted gear. This time I'll be prepared!