Did you know not performing as you think another player should in a group

[Gallus]

And what happens if that player is just learning the class and isn't very familiar with their single target rotations, let alone their aoe?

[magnanimousCynic]

And what happens if that player is just learning the class and isn't very familiar with their single target rotations, let alone their aoe?

The deciding factor is the level of the player. Are we in Tam-Tara NM or Kugane Castle? Because the previous people and I were talking about bad players in Expert Roulette. If they aren't familiar with their class by 70 then they should look stuff up.

If you're talking about a player in a low level duty then of course it's ok as they are still new and (hopefully) open to learning. And when I'm in that type of low level duty I'll try my best to give advice if I see that they could use it.

[Zhamkyong]

~Common sense~

He just said what most of the playes have been trying to explain to ArcanoJones in all the thread but seems unable to understand.

A player who is in a lower level dungeon -EVEN if that player it's a mentor- learning the basis of a class, or just trying it out to figure it future mechanics of it at later levels when he has those basis is not a problem to anyone. If that player is willing to listen to a few tips -in a friendly way- all the better. Even at level 50 i expect to encounter this kind of thing with MCH, AST, DRK, RDM and SAM being the first in the list -MCH, AST and DRK because the starter level is 30, RDM and SAM because it is 50. In level terms, by the 60 every player willing to learn to use the class in a normal fashion should understand the basic mechanics of it by now. I am not talking about an EX or Savage example, just a normal and basic understanding that is enough for normal group content.

At level 70 a player should be more than capable to understand what it's optimal to his Job and what not. A Tank should not be learning how to maintain agro, a DPS should not be learning how to do his rotation -in a basic way-, and a healer should have enough experience to know what to expect of the other 2 to balance his healing and dps -being the first one the most important, naturally-. In the same fashion, a player who is doing a leveling roulette but has a high level class should not be hindering the rest of the party by, for example, refusing to use his Ver-spells or a BLM forcing his way with ice/lighting spells only.

This is a MMO with a COOP sense play style, every member of a group should be able to expect to give his part to acomplish the duty. And SHOULD do it. If a member in hindering the progress, there are a lot of reasons for it and i expect communication to know how to proceed. Is it new? Ok, i will give him a hand. Is it a returner? No worries. Is it trying a new rotation looking for his play style but respecting his job basics? Cool, try it. He needs to kill a certain mob for any reason? (Hunting log of a GC, for example). No for me, we can take a little detour to finish them in a flash.

Is it a player who is denying the basics of his job, being rude, and shutting anyones mouth with "you dont pay my sub" or "you cannot tell me hoy to play, you dont even have that class leveled" or anything of the sort? Or refusing to communicate? A kick in the ass out of the party.

One thing is being helpfull to people, the other is letting anyone do as he/she pleases despite everyone warnings.