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    Micah...Why exactly would that be rude..That is not valid at all. If you are trying there is absolutely nothing rude about it. If your not intentionally trying to harrass or troll somebody there is nothing rude about it. Nobody is purposely trying to play there class badly. Not everybody is a perfect player. Would you like to explain why that is rude if your not intentionaly trying to effect another person. I am interested on why some people say that.

    And like I say..People who think your way are not very nice people. Sorry but thats how I feel. its a selfish attitude. Its a if you don't play the game my way your out of here attitude. Some will bash me for saying it. But I know others feel the same.

    The only reason I am going to kick somebody is if they are harrasing another player..bullying them or being mean to them ..or if they have left the game obviously and are AFK for a long time. That is the only time you will get a kick vote from me. Advancing in the game and doing things effficiently is not more important than being courteous and polite and treating others as you would like them to treat you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcanoJones View Post
    Micah...Why exactly would that be rude..That is not valid at all. If you are trying there is absolutely nothing rude about it. If your not intentionally trying to harrass or troll somebody there is nothing rude about it. Nobody is purposely trying to play there class badly. Not everybody is a perfect player. Would you like to explain why that is rude if your not intentionaly trying to effect another person. I am interested on why some people say that.
    The more you play this game, the more you will realize that there are players just like that in this game: that intentionally play their job suboptimally, and don't care if it causes the run to last longer, or places undue burden or strain on the party. Because "you don't pay my sub, and it's my sub so I'll play the way I want to play."

    And like I say..People who think your way are not very nice people. Sorry but thats how I feel. its a selfish attitude. Its a if you don't play the game my way your out of here attitude. Some will bash me for saying it. But I know others feel the same.
    Yet, in this thread, you are basically advocating for people to play this game the way you think it should be played: slow, easy dungeon runs with lots of talking and chatting. And while that may be ideal for some, it is not what everyone in this community wants. Some people are fine with just "Hello" and "Thank you" after a fast, efficient run. Brief interactions; short, to-the-point explanations of boss mechanics for anyone who asks for them; those are all things that are done in runs and acceptable in this community. Playing a job inefficiently and being a burden to your party is not. That is what I would consider selfish behavior.

    The only reason I am going to kick somebody is if they are harrasing another player..bullying them or being mean to them ..or if they have left the game obviously and are AFK for a long time. That is the only time you will get a kick vote from me. Advancing in the game and doing things effficiently is not more important than being courteous and polite and treating others as you would like them to treat you.
    I would consider people unwilling to play their jobs to the most basic expectations and thereby hindering progression or making a run last far longer than it should rude, and not treating their fellow party members with any ounce of respect or consideration. Your time and your enjoyment are not more important than the time and enjoyment of your party.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArcanoJones View Post
    None of that is intentional. Its called the way they play. You have not got the slightest idea what other people know about the game. You can only speak for yourself. Thats just an excuse your making But you sure take a lot for granted on what everybody knows.
    Everything Micah pointed out is intentional play. It is highly unlikely that you would ever meet, for example, a BLM that actually though spamming Blizzard was an optimal rotation. The thaumaturge questline explains to you the balance of Astral and Umbral with regards to your rotation, and how important it is to rotate between the two.

    Likewise, very obviously not bothering to read your own tooltips is just poor practice and poor play.

    Barring all of this, why one would willingly choose to play poorly boggles my mind, and they are not someone I would ever want to be grouped with. I don't expect 95th percentile FFLogs parses out of my party members for any sort of content (this is including Savage, since a lot of 90th percentile and above parses are catered and padded), but I do expect all of them to have the most basic understanding of their job, and to give content at least some shred of effort.
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    And no those things are not intentional in most cases. You yourself said some players do it intentionaly . Then you contradict yourself by saying its always intentional. And the fact of the matter is many people disagree with everything you said...myself included. You place the game in front of the people on the other side of the screen. I will continue to be polite and courteous to those people and if a dungeon run doesn't go so great. Oh well I don't really care. Its a game . Not the end of the world. I'll go back and try it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcanoJones View Post
    And no those things are not intentional in most cases. You yourself said some players do it intentionaly . Then you contradict yourself by saying its always intentional. And the fact of the matter is many people disagree with everything you said...myself included. You place the game in front of the people on the other side of the screen. I will continue to be polite and courteous to those people and if a dungeon run doesn't go so great. Oh well I don't really care. Its a game . Not the end of the world. I'll go back and try it again.
    So you're telling me that a BLM spamming a singular spell is not doing so intentionally? Is not intentionally playing their job in an a. suboptimal manner, and b. a way that is just completely wrong? What about a tank not using cooldowns? Or a healer not using HoTs, shields, or other party buffs? Yeah, I don't buy it. Very few people who play suboptimally don't realize that they are playing suboptimally, and normally you encounter them in the very first couple of dungeons, not in a level 70 expert roulette dungeon.

    Being courteous is a lot more than just saying hello or making polite conversation. It is also working with your team to try and make a run go as smooth as possible. Intentional bad play is not being a team player, and is not polite or courteous to the other members in your group in any way. It doesn't matter how you try to spin it.

    And if this is "just a game" and "not the end of the world," why did you create what is basically a vent thread to lament getting Vote Dismissed for not meeting the expectation of your other party members?

    Duty Finder is NOT just there for new individuals to find groups for content. It is also there for veterans to use and run content. The time and playstyle of one group does not trump the time and playstyle of another. All members of a party need to cooperate with one another. A player intentionally underperforming and refusing to listen to advice and improve is not good team play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcanoJones View Post
    You certainly seem the opposite of this thing you said in your profile.
    "I love this game, and I love the people I have met through it. I would not trade them for the world. "
    Its all about the game to you it seems..Not the people who play the game.
    Personal attacks certainly don't help to get your point of polite and courteous treatment of others across.

    My profile quote is in reference to my friends that I have made in this game that I speak to on a daily basis that have helped me through difficult times in my life during the almost two years I have played. Not randoms in Duty Finder, although some are very memorable and wonderful people I hope to get matched up with again someday. But, thank you for taking my profile quote completely and totally out of context.


    But you are right: we aren't accomplishing anything. If you are fine with subpar play and people intentionally playing their roles inadequately, then you do you. A lot of us prefer playing with individuals open to advice on how to improve, and not just playing badly because "my sub and I can play how I want."

    Have a wonderful evening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Personal attacks certainly don't help to get your point of polite and courteous treatment of others across. But you are right: we aren't accomplishing anything. If you are fine with subpar play and people intentionally playing their roles inadequately, then you do you. A lot of us prefer playing with individuals open to advice on how to improve, and not just playing badly because "my sub and I can play how I want."

    Have a wonderful evening.
    Sorry if its seems like a personal attack I apoligiize. Maybe it was to harsh. But you guys are all attacking me for saying I am not going to kick somebody just because they are not performing with perfect efficiency. If the group is not wiping and completing the dungeon then its not even an issue regardless of what they are doing. You guys seem to be saying that if they are making the dungeon run any longer than it needs to be there going to get kicked. That shows the game is more important that the person to me. I just pointed it out to you is all. Nothing personal.
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