Did you know not performing as you think another player should in a group

[Reynhart]

I heard the OT scylla thing before so I'm really just asking: how do you know AFK was the reason they kicked you?

Because they told me...on the chat...when I joined back. And even there, the GM only told me "Different playstyles, dude" (Well, not that words precisely )

[Dualgunner]

Ah so this was before they set it so you can't join back. So your two anecdotes are particularly dated in addition to being anecdotes.

[HyoMinPark]

I think votekicking for having a different playstyle really shouldn't be allowed, but oh well.

Having the "Different Playstyles" reasoning is there because SE cannot enforce a particular playstyle on the community. In order to not allow for such kicks, they would have to enforce a specific playstyle, which is not something that can be done because the playerbase is so vast, and comprised of so many people that are all different in some way or another. Hence why the "Differing Playstyles" is a reason for a valid kick. SE knows they can't expect everyone in this game to play exactly the same, so if a party agrees to kick a player for not meeting the expectation of the group, they can do so.

[SenSaitoru]

Personally I don't see people kicked very often. I use duty finder for almost all the dungeons I need. The few times, I saw someone kicked is because they disconnected and didn't return. There was a time when a ninja was kicked for pulling mobs after the tank asked him to stop but that's pretty much all I've seen as vote kicks go. Again though, maybe I'm just lucky.

[Coatl]

In 4mans I really don't think people should get kicked for performing suboptimally as long as the run is smooth enough. In savage raid content sometimes you have to kick the straggler, nothing you can do about it.

[ArcanoJones]

Hey just because it considered a valid reason by SE that does not make it a nice or polite thing to do. Many consider it rude to kick people out of groups because they are not performing efficiently. Its a game. Especially on a DPS. You make that person wait in a 20 minute queue to redo the dungeon. You make them feel bad. I have seen some not even want to do dungeons at all because of things like this happening to them. Not everybody is a perfect player. Even after playing the game for a long time. They are not. Old people don't think as fast. They don't react as fast. I know many people don't seem to care about the people on the other side of the screen.. but to some believe me it is rude. And I have seen those people reply in this thread and it gives me hope for the game.

[MicahZerrshia]

Hey just because it considered a valid reason by SE that does not make it a nice or polite thing to do.

It could also be argued that playing suboptimally or abhorrently is rude as well. You can flip that coin any way you want.

And it's not just recently this has been a thing. In FFXI when we ran dyna or any alliance based content we kept black mages in all parties so we could D2 anyone not performing or listening to directions, ninja looting, randomly pulling or afking and that was back in 2005. So expecting someone to perform is not a new thing in mmos. As we were far from the only ls who did so.

It's true its a game, but your enjoyment does not trump anyone else's. If you want to purposely play your class poorly you cannot blame others for kicking you. If you purposely do not tell a group that you have some sort of disability and that is why you are slower than you should be, you cannot blame them for kicking you. In any aspect of life you will be expected to perform at least well and depending on what you do (in game terms a static), exceptionally. If you want to be a blizzard mage, that's great for you, but you cannot blame others for booting you just because "its your sub so you play your way". That's just childish.

[ArcanoJones]

Micah...Why exactly would that be rude..That is not valid at all. If you are trying there is absolutely nothing rude about it. If your not intentionally trying to harrass or troll somebody there is nothing rude about it. Nobody is purposely trying to play there class badly. Not everybody is a perfect player. Would you like to explain why that is rude if your not intentionaly trying to effect another person. I am interested on why some people say that.

And like I say..People who think your way are not very nice people. Sorry but thats how I feel. its a selfish attitude. Its a if you don't play the game my way your out of here attitude. Some will bash me for saying it. But I know others feel the same.

The only reason I am going to kick somebody is if they are harrasing another player..bullying them or being mean to them ..or if they have left the game obviously and are AFK for a long time. That is the only time you will get a kick vote from me. Advancing in the game and doing things effficiently is not more important than being courteous and polite and treating others as you would like them to treat you.

[MicahZerrshia]

If you are just a thunder or blizzard mage, you are not trying to play well, you are intentionally playing poorly.
If you are not playing optimally when you can, if you know you are not doing your job but don't care enough to try, you are intentionally playing poorly.
If you do not take the time to learn your job or even reading the tool tips on your icons you are intentionally playing poorly.
If you are intentionally playing your job a certain way because that is your preference when you know there are better ways to go about things, you are intentionally playing poorly.
Especially at level 70. If you still do not know your basic rotations you have put 0 effort into learning anything and therefore you are intentionally playing poorly. Ignorance by choice.

If everyone in a group took a few moments to read what to do and try to do it, that is fine. If you refuse to use the actions given, aoe in a group pull for instance, which was brought up earlier. You are intentionally playing poorly and that is rude, that is trolling. You can play your way if you want, but I have the option to say, not with me, and boot you. And that is not rude that is my choice as yours is your own.

Funny you think I am not nice due to the way I think, because I think people who play your way, and not take people who actually put effort into learning how to play into consideration and expect to be carried, are not very nice people.

[ArcanoJones]

None of that is intentional. Its called the way they play. You have not got the slightest idea what other people know about the game. You can only speak for yourself. Thats just an excuse your making But you sure take a lot for granted on what everybody knows.

Personally I don't expect anything from anybody. I hope they enjoy the game. I am not going to discuss it with you any longer though. Its not a social thing for you obviously. SO nevermind.