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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    It's a democratic process that never requires more than 50% approval from the group. It's deeply flawed.
    I would venture if half of the people in a given group want someone removed, more often than not, vote dismiss is working as intended™.

    Are there going to be instances of vote kick abuse? Of course!

    It's far from perfect, but I think half the party is a good enough metric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by missybee View Post
    I would venture if half of the people in a given group want someone removed, more often than not, vote dismiss is working as intended™.
    Democracy is not "half", it's "more than half". "2 out of 4" and "4 out of 8" are not the majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Democracy is not "half", it's "more than half". "2 out of 4" and "4 out of 8" are not the majority.
    The game rightly doesn't count the person being subject to kick. Thus it is 2/3 (66.6...%) and 4/7 (57.14285714285714%). Think of it like a jury. The defendent (in this case the person being subject to a motion for dismissal), is never part of that jury. There's better examples I'm sure but that is what came off the top of my head.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    The defendent (in this case the person being subject to a motion for dismissal), is never part of that jury.
    Nor is the plaintiff (in this case, the person initiating the kick).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Democracy is not "half", it's "more than half". "2 out of 4" and "4 out of 8" are not the majority.
    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloFlick View Post
    Since you can't vote for or against your own dismissal it's actually 2/3 or 4/7. Not 50%
    That sounds more or less like a majority vote to me?

    I kind of don't really see what the big to-do about it is at any rate. If you have a pulse, you hit a few buttons, you occasionally do mechanics, and don't act like a complete anus, you are very unlikely to get kicked. As aforementioned, abuse does happen, but it is the exception rather than the rule.

    ...and you have to at least entertain the notion that if a given person is getting kicked SUPER often, maybe it isn't abuse?
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