Did you know not performing as you think another player should in a group

[xJimmehx]

I know you not, but that's what you said and what I based my answer on. Don't take this the personal way to dismiss a point to what you, and you only, said.

I said i think youre all wrong. I dont really need to dismiss any points. I dont know what your comment is even about because you erased my quote and replaced it with "snip." It doesnt really matter though. I disregarded everything you said the moment you wrote "people like you." I stated that i think everyone is wrong for thinking they have a right to "expect" anything at all from others(beyond intentional griefing obviously). I still stand by that 100%. If people cant deal with difference in personality and playstyle, why are they playing an mmo in the first place? At the very least they should be using party finder so they dont have to get in a queue with somebody else who has been waiting for a likely 20 minutes to join only to kick them.

Edit: If they were griefing its one thing but I dont agree with kicking somebody for being stupid/ignorant/inexperienced or inefficient. Its duty finder. Not end game raiding. As I've stated in the past, I think its weird that people expect thousands of people in an online game to all act exactly the same. The most beautiful thing about us is how different we all are.

[Tanathya]

At the very least they should be using party finder so they dont have to get in a queue with somebody else who has been waiting for a likely 20 minutes to join only to kick them.

Why not the other way around? If they wanna play like that, they should be the ones creating a PF, because using a DF doesn't magically give you a pass to hinder your party just because. I still think that because of your mentality is why we can't have nice things. But to each their own I guess.

[xJimmehx]

If they wanna play like that

If somebody is doing 80% top dps in a dungeon, and trying to do perform well, although not very skilled. I dont think the missing 20% is reason to kick them. If they are trying to intentionally grief you, I would kick.

What does my opinion on how we treat others in a dungeon have to do with "nice things?"

In short I simply believe this community is full of people who act entitled. I haven't picked sides with anyone. So i don't follow with what you're trying to say there, or how it is related to anything other than how well we get along and how often people become kicked from duty finder without so much as a "hello/would you like some advice/etc".

[missybee]

If somebody is doing 80% top dps in a dungeon, and trying to do perform well, although not very skilled. I dont think the missing 20% is reason to kick them. If they are trying to intentionally grief you, I would kick.

No one is getting kicked over doing 20% less damage than the best of the best.

Hell, in a landscape where 3.5k DPS is pretty average, I would still not kick someone who was pulling like...half that.

People get kicked when they repeatedly spam Straight Shot and when they are asked to maybe attempt a proper rotation, they say "YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB."

[xJimmehx]

No one is getting kicked over doing 20% less damage than the best of the best.

Hell, in a landscape where 3.5k DPS is pretty average, I would still not kick someone who was pulling like...half that.

People get kicked when they repeatedly spam Straight Shot and when they are asked to maybe attempt a proper rotation, they say "YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB."

I mean, I'm sure they are. I got kicked once for being a war lol. I get what you mean though. Its very rare.

[kkarzin]

If somebody is doing 80% top dps in a dungeon, and trying to do perform well, although not very skilled. I dont think the missing 20% is reason to kick them. If they are trying to intentionally grief you, I would kick.

Clearly you do not know how BLM works, Thunder is not 80% of a BLM total damage output... Nowhere near. With only casting thunder, you do not get access to any Astral or umbral buffs to damage or mp regen. You cannot keep up Enochian, you cannot cast fire IV, our Foul. The only proc you get is Tunderhead which gives you an instant cast thunder spell with all the damage out front... Only casting thunder lets the BLM maybe do 10% of their actual damage

[xJimmehx]

Clearly you do not know how BLM works, Thunder is not 80% of a BLM total damage output... Nowhere near. With only casting thunder, you do not get access to any Astral or umbral buffs to damage or mp regen. You cannot keep up Enochian, you cannot cast fire IV, our Foul. The only proc you get is Tunderhead which gives you an instant cast thunder spell with all the damage out front... Only casting thunder lets the BLM maybe do 10% of their actual damage

I never said anything about that blm.. Somebody else was talking about that..

Edit: My blm is like...55? I know how to play it at endgame level 50 at least. I KNOW thunder doesnt do 80% of their dps, nor did i ever say so. I think your mixing post together and getting confused.
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In any case. Im saying that I dont think somebody performing with real effort should be kicked in a duty finder. Unless that effort is put towards purposefully trolling and causing problems. Or being an asshat towards people.

[MoroMurasaki]

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But as the vast majority people who play their classes with a basic amount of knowledge and common sense shouldn't be relegated to PF (where AiN won't get their bonus if you join fully preformed) to avoid people like this BLM.

If anything people who play very poorly could open up a PF asking for a carry and if they want to speed things up they could offer an incentive in the form of gil or materia or something.

[xJimmehx]

If anything people who play very poorly could open up a PF asking for a carry and if they want to speed things up they could offer an incentive in the form of gil or materia or something.

I wont disagree with bad players opening a PF to get carried or for practice. I think its a good idea to do PF for anything really.. especially hardcore raiding if you dont have a full static. I still dont think you should gamble on party make up by joining pf only to demand something of the people who arrive, beyond cooperation and actually trying to clear the duty. I look at DF as being a casual quick way to jump in game and learn. Thats probably why it offers so much as a reward. I believe PF is for serious groups. If you want top dps or farm parties you should probably take a competent group or you're wasting time anyways.(i run with my wife and fc mates when i play I havent seen a queue in months and havent failed a duty since early 3.0. though i dont really raid much)

I really wasn't even speaking about the blm you're referring to. If they're trolling you, kick them. I don't believe its fair to kick somebody for being a WAR at the start of 4.0 or for trying and doing less dps than a skilled player would, in df. In pf kick all you want.

[HyoMinPark]

I said i think youre all wrong. I dont really need to dismiss any points. I dont know what your comment is even about because you erased my quote and replaced it with "snip." It doesnt really matter though. I disregarded everything you said the moment you wrote "people like you." I stated that i think everyone is wrong for thinking they have a right to "expect" anything at all from others(beyond intentional griefing obviously). I still stand by that 100%. If people cant deal with difference in personality and playstyle, why are they playing an mmo in the first place? At the very least they should be using party finder so they dont have to get in a queue with somebody else who has been waiting for a likely 20 minutes to join only to kick them.

Edit: If they were griefing its one thing but I dont agree with kicking somebody for being stupid/ignorant/inexperienced or inefficient. Its duty finder. Not end game raiding. As I've stated in the past, I think its weird that people expect thousands of people in an online game to all act exactly the same. The most beautiful thing about us is how different we all are.

When I do anything in this game, I expect people to at least act with some shred of common courtesy. The mentality of "it's my sub and I'll play how I want; I don't care about the other 3/7/23 people I'm grouped with" is not courteous at all. It is fine for people to all want to play differently, act differently, etc.. But when you are running content with a team, you need to act like a team player. Thunder-spamming BLMs making runs last longer just because they want to play that way and don't care about the time of the other people in the group is not being a team player. And if 3 other people are in agreement that they don't want to deal with such behavior, they are allowed to vote dismiss Thunder Mage.

The Party Finder reasoning also goes both ways: if someone wants to run Expert Roulette spamming only one spell, not AOEing large trash packs, or generally just not wanting to play in such a way to make the run fast, smooth, and efficient, then they are also free to recruit other players that don't care to carry them.

"Casual" content or "hardcore" content, both points I make still stand. Be courteous regardless of the situation; be a team player. If you want to play a certain way, you are free to use DF and risk not meeting the expectations of the majority of a group, or you are free to use PF to find other like-minded people. That goes for everyone.