Did you know not performing as you think another player should in a group

[Tanathya]

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That player was doing that on purpose, and, if they weren't, it'd be even worse. By level 20 you'd expect the basics to be known, and build a more optimal, or at least acceptable, way to play from there on. Let alone a lv70 player. They don't give a fuck? Don't expect the rest of us to comply. End of the story. No one is asking for anyone to be the absolute best at their job, but come on. Thanks to players like you, they think they get a pass, and then we all gotta come across them in more difficult content.

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You are missing the point as stated, or you are incredibly naive. Or both.

[MoroMurasaki]

No I'm not.

You are missing the point though.

If you had a tank or healer playing with a similar level of ineptitude to the aforementioned BLM a dungeon would basically become imposdible to clear. Mind you they are just as "new and deserving of a chance" as that BLM.

Would you kick them so you can clear or wait out the full 90 minutes of the dungeon and get basically nothing for your time?

Don't dodge the question with some pointless talk of "but feelings" either, I want to know if you would wait 90 mins for nothing just to avoid kicking someone who was playing poorly.

[Kosmos992k]

Good Post Malzian..and a good description of what has happened to MMOs. I used to play D&D back in the 1980s and early 90s with several groups at the local Comic Book store. That is what MMOs where like back in there infancy. A virtual session of D&D. Good times.

D&D, AD&D, GURPS, Traveller, etc....yep been there, done that, still got my dice and character sheets if I look hard enough. Even played the original MUD, and I mean the game called MUD that was so named for the phrase 'Multi-User Dungeon'. Played text based games, rogue-likes and so forth. I* am old school.

I belong to the school of thought that says that the journey matters more than the destination.

I believe I am quite probably considered a dinosaur, and I really don't care about that.

[xJimmehx]

Thanks to players like you

LOL im so glad you know me so well. I'm touched.


..I play with friends. I hate DF. As long as people arent being mean intentionally. They owe nobody anything. DF is DF, dont like randoms then dont use it(and mmos in general). They gave us PF for a reason.

[Tanathya]

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I know you not, but that's what you said and what I based my answer on. Don't take this the personal way to dismiss a point to what you, and you only, said.

[ArcanoJones]

No new player is going to look at BLM and think 'Oh, I should be using lots of thunder magic, along with Scathe and Drain!'. They're either going to be stumbling along with mp management by overcasting Fire spells and being stuck waiting on a mana tick after Transposing, or convincing themselves that only using ice magic is better because they won't run out of mp.

Nobody is going to spam thunder magic out of ignorance, and I'm surprised you're trying to defend that sort of behaviour.

Who is defending it I am simply saying there is no way to verify that the guy never casted any other spell. Or whether this guy is being completely honest about his story of this person. And if the group never wiped because of it. It simply doesn't matter anyway. DO you know every single spell that every single member in an 8 man group casts. Or even a 4 man. Are you that aware of what every single person is doing every single second. I doubt it.

[MoroMurasaki]

Who is defending it I am simply saying there is no way to verify that the guy never casted any other spell. Or whether this guy is being completely honest about his story of this person. And if the group never wiped because of it. It simply doesn't matter anyway. DO you know every single spell that every single member in an 8 man group casts. Or even a 4 man. Are you that aware of what every single person is doing every single second. I doubt it.

As a healer who plays AST quite a bit I pay a ton of attention to the DPS in my group to see who I should buff the damage of with cards, it is 100% possible to spot this sort of behavior without a parser.

Whether or not this situation was real is a moot point, if it was real it was handled correctly by the party. Offer advice, get dismisdive or rude response, kick offending player.

"Not wiping" is not the only measure of success for many players. We are not wrong because we want to be improving and doing better.

[Malzian]

D&D, AD&D, GURPS, Traveller, etc....yep been there, done that, still got my dice and character sheets if I look hard enough. Even played the original MUD, and I mean the game called MUD that was so named for the phrase 'Multi-User Dungeon'. Played text based games, rogue-likes and so forth. I* am old school.

I belong to the school of thought that says that the journey matters more than the destination.

I believe I am quite probably considered a dinosaur, and I really don't care about that.

I remember MUD... I have Legends of Infocom (Zork ftw) on my iPad and still maintain a subscription to a text-based game called Dragonrealms... I'm probably a dinosaur too in that case. Unfortunately I've even seen in in that text-based game where people just run scripts now to get to the highest level possible and taunt you for not having the best stuff. Everything is keeping up with the Joneses these days...

[xJimmehx]

I know you not, but that's what you said and what I based my answer on. Don't take this the personal way to dismiss a point to what you, and you only, said.

I said i think youre all wrong. I dont really need to dismiss any points. I dont know what your comment is even about because you erased my quote and replaced it with "snip." It doesnt really matter though. I disregarded everything you said the moment you wrote "people like you." I stated that i think everyone is wrong for thinking they have a right to "expect" anything at all from others(beyond intentional griefing obviously). I still stand by that 100%. If people cant deal with difference in personality and playstyle, why are they playing an mmo in the first place? At the very least they should be using party finder so they dont have to get in a queue with somebody else who has been waiting for a likely 20 minutes to join only to kick them.

Edit: If they were griefing its one thing but I dont agree with kicking somebody for being stupid/ignorant/inexperienced or inefficient. Its duty finder. Not end game raiding. As I've stated in the past, I think its weird that people expect thousands of people in an online game to all act exactly the same. The most beautiful thing about us is how different we all are.

[kkarzin]

As a Member of Lev's group running with him, and as a Former BLM I can verify his original statement. Yes the BLM did not cast a fire or an ice spell, which are the main damage output for BLM! If you are going to run a dungeon as any class and sit there actually doing the bare minimum on purpose for no actual reason then yea, I'm gonna kick you. If the BLM would have said flat out I want to see if this is possible, or if he had an actual reason, I would have been fine with it. But because he refused to actually give a reason and didn't want to play the class as designed I agreed to the kick. Does that make me rude? If you think so sure, but it also makes the BLM just as rude for wasting our time