Did you know not performing as you think another player should in a group

[Laerune]

Or just leave them alone maybe?
Unless they intentionally do some very questionable stuff like goint into 70 content in 60 lvl gear, who cares if people there underperforming. If you want your idea of "fun" being forced on others, there's is party finder where all specific moments like "top dps, 2 fail kick" can be explained beforehand.

If the underpreformer is oke with casting ice magick only and in turn slowing the rest of the group, then they will be kicked. Their idea of fun does not overpower mine and mine does not overpower theirs, but if the majority of the group agrees with me, then its goodbye!

If an underpreformer wants to underpreform and slow the group, then they too can go make a group via the party finder and enjoy their moments.

[Miste]

If you want your idea of "fun" being forced on others, there's is party finder where all specific moments like "top dps, 2 fail kick" can be explained beforehand.

This is hypocritical since the person under performing is forcing their "I don't care to play properly 'fun'" on others anyway. Why is he exempt?

You cannot use these type of arguments for this stuff at all because of pure hypocrisy.

If one person is allowed to play however they want then everyone else can too; which includes possibly telling someone they are doing things wrong or offering tips or even using the vote kick.

Person A: "It's my sub I play how I want"
Person B: "Okay, it is also MY sub too, I'll vote kick who I want"
Person C: "I agree with B, sorry, but goodbye A"

It's fair and equal treatment. Person A can play however they want, but so can Person B and Person C.

If you want to do whatever you want, ignoring the rest of the people in your group, then be aware the rest of the people in your group can also give you the same treatment back.

I rarely kick people, but this is just the simple truth of the matter.

[Khaidal]

[Nhisso]

I find helpful people PUGs 99 percent of the time. And the ONLY time ive seen anyone kicked from a dungeon is when they REFUSE to play their role or they continue to do dumb stuff that causes wipes.

[Nhisso]

Lmfao. Exactly.

[ArcanoJones]

You can be 70 in a couple of weeks. You can buy a potion that makes you 60 from the very beginning. Being 70 does not mean you know your job.

[Khaidal]

You can be 70 in a couple of weeks. You can buy a potion that makes you 60 from the very beginning. Being 70 does not mean you know your job.

It doesn't change the fact that at 70 you should know the basics of your job. If that BLM wanted to be dot mage, he should have rolled SMN.

[HyoMinPark]

You can be 70 in a couple of weeks. You can buy a potion that makes you 60 from the very beginning. Being 70 does not mean you know your job.

When you buy a job skip potion, upon using it, the game literally tells you that you are still responsible for learning how to play the job correctly (i.e., reading your skills, asking/accepting advice, etc.). Friend jumped one of his alts up and said upon logging back in, there was a pop-up stating as such. I understand that there are a lot of lazy people out there unwilling to learn, but that doesn't make it acceptable group play to willingly be bad, which is what it sounds like that BLM was doing. Chances are that this BLM probably wasn't even a potion user; they were just bad. There are no excuses for that. Sorry, but that's my opinion.

The fact that you are defending bad play boggles my mind. There is a huge difference between someone being a low-level player completely new to a game and still figuring out how their rotation/job works, and someone rolling a job in a Level 70 dungeon and choosing to be a Thunder Mage just "because."

[Destatiredux]

When you buy a job skip potion..."

This. Many times this. Jump potions are a means to be able to "jump" to where your friends are currently at in the story if you are a new player. It should not be an excuse to not know the workings of your job, and the game tells you as such. Even if you're jumping in by yourself, with no friends, the game provides many resources for discovering how your job works- this is why the novice network, the hall of the novice, training dummies scattered throughout the realm, and even palace of the dead (to some degree) exist.

[AngeloFlick]

You can be 70 in a couple of weeks. You can buy a potion that makes you 60 from the very beginning. Being 70 does not mean you know your job.

But this game doesn't work like WoW, you can't just go into any content you like once you hit 70 because FFXIV gates everything behind the MSQ and ilevel. The Expert Roulette is only accessible after you fulfill a lot of conditions. You must reach max level on at least one job AND completely finish the current MSQ and stay current. Then you have to unlock each dungeon and run it successfully, and only after that will the game allow you to queue into Expert. Then, only players that stay ahead get to keep using it because every time a new patch drops with more MSQ quests it also releases new dungeons that are now the Expert. The previous dungeons that were part of Expert are moved to another roulette. To re-unlock Expert Roulette these players must AGAIN complete the new Main Story Quests, unlock the new dungeons and complete them at least once, before being allowed to queue back into Expert. Additionally, the final MSQ trial and the Expert Roulette both have a minimum ilevel gear requirement of 280, something a brand new level 70 player won't be able to reach without doing all their job quests up to 70.

My point being, there is no way someone could be in Expert, especially Temple of the Fist (which isn't even unlockable by itself until 4.0 MSQ is completely done) without having been made to play their job at a minimum level of competence in both group and solo content. That Black Mage was trolling.