Did you know not performing as you think another player should in a group

[Jybril]

Did you wipe..If not..You where completelly wrong IMO.Not a chance I am going to see your cause for ruining somebodies enjoyment of the game when it was not personally harming you in any way. I would never vote for it. Not a chance. Sound sot me like you guys where harrasing him actually.

Using Mr. Destatiredux example.
The BLM was rightfully kicked. This is not the game to "Pick your path."
If BLM had given us a Lightning path then sure, but it doesn't.
So yep, the guy gets kicked. Sorry, that's definitely trolling and wasted a colossal waste of
everyones time and at 70, there's no excuse for it.

[Destatiredux]

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You can disbelieve me all you like. I was the healer in that party, and it's a healers job to not only watch HP but to watch for who's using what skills and buffs to best support the party, especially as an Astro. It first became apparent to me when on the first boss he never once used fire. By the time we reached the second boss it wasn't just me that had noticed; in fact, the tank was the one to initiate the conversation leading to his kick.

[Destatiredux]

And I point out again which you seem to be ignoring if the group is through the duty finder then new players should be expected. And you should not expect expert play. If you want that. Find your groups in another way.

This. Black Mage. Was not. New. Say it with me now! In fact, this dungeon is in what you would call the EXPERT roulette. If this was, say, a leveling run in Copperbell Normal then this would have been an entirely different discussion. But people who are in endgame content are expected to play with at least a passing form of efficiency, with exception to people who are handicapped in some fashion. I'm really curious now, since you keep insisting on this being the subject of kicking new players; what exactly prompted this whole thread to start with? I'd like to know because it seems like you're stuck on this concept, or else consider all people who perform as that Black Mage did to be "new players."

[Destatiredux]

You sound like you'd defend the scholars who would auto follow the tank and let the fairy heal the dungeon. They weren't wiping, so by your definition it's ok. Their enjoyment is letting everyone else finish the run while they watch YouTube. Why should 3 out of 4 people in a run have to do their job while one person gets a pass?

I'd say a more applicable comparison would be like a tank who uses only his DPS rotation and pulls hate only when provoke and ultimatum come off cool down. Did they wipe? Maybe not, but you bet your ass the healer is having a heart attack on the other side of their screen every time a tank buster comes down.

[Khaidal]

I'd say a more applicable comparison would be like a tank who uses only his DPS rotation and pulls hate only when provoke and ultimatum come off cool down. Did they wipe? Maybe not, but you bet your ass the healer is having a heart attack on the other side of their screen every time a tank buster comes down.

Good point.

Big thing that people are tying to say, and the OP is failing to grasp, is that while people won't expect you to play at hardcore endgame day 1 savage progression level, they will expect you to have a basic grasp of your job's rotation. That BLM couldn't be bothered to do even that.

[Selova]

It's funny, in the 4 years I've been playing this game, I have yet to experience a VK of any kind and the only time I've seen someone in a group I was in get removed was a BLM doing nothing but spamming blizzard making the run take far longer than needed. Chances are if you are getting VK'd often, you are the problem.

[Destatiredux]

Or being an asshat towards people.

Then you should have no issue with how this (and other similar situations many other players have had) turned out. Yes, people do get kicked sometimes for no reason. Of course things like that are a terrible representation of the community and should be reproached. But a good number of instances are like the example I gave- a player plays their job horribly, refuses to take advice or to give an explanation, and had a shitty attitude to top it off. I'm sure everyone in the forums has had or will have an experience like this during the course of playing this game. There's no reason to tolerate situations like this in an otherwise awesome game.

[xJimmehx]

Then you should have no issue with how this turned out.

I didnt see your post, but i assume you kicked the blm for casting thunder only and getting annoyed at you for trying to speed up the run? If so, I would have kicked them too. I believe vote kick should be reserved for griefers and asshats. I also tend to believe that most people I've encountered believe they're entitled to make demands of others. Some have gone as far as kicking because they see a first time bonus, slightly low dps, and job. In my opinion, its not even worth queuing the df anymore unless you have 2 friends going with you.

[MoroMurasaki]

I didnt see your post, but i assume you kicked the blm for casting thunder only and getting annoyed at you for trying to speed up the run? If so, I would have kicked them too. I believe vote kick should be reserved for griefers and asshats. I also tend to believe that most people I've encountered believe they're entitled to make demands of others. Some have gone as far as kicking because they see a first time bonus, slightly low dps, and job. In my opinion, its not even worth queuing the df anymore unless you have 2 friends going with you.

I totally agree with this; kicking someone for being new, an unpopular job or playing at a casual caliber in casual content is not even something that I believe is up for debate here. Its shitty and stupid and anyone who would do it is no better than that BLM griefing his party as a thundermage.

[Seoulstar]

Whether its against the rules or not . It's completely absurd and childish in my opinion.