Did you know not performing as you think another player should in a group

[Greedalox]

This thread is kind of depressing. The fact that people have to argue for the idea of blatancy over 11 pages is astounding and perhaps a little upsetting. Even if his story about the Thunder Mage wasn't true, its value as a hypothetical would still be there but still the Hug Party is insistent on making sure blatant disruption isn't thwarted and "feelings" aren't hurt- all the while chalking it up to how "New Age MMO's are nothin' like me being OOOOLD SCHOOOOL with my table tops and infant MMO's." What are you even trying to accomplish with that?

[Camiie]

My problem with the vote kick system is the player kicked, as far as I know, doesn't get any sort of info as to why. They just get unceremoniously ejected from the dungeon. Honestly, I've been kicked a couple of times. Once I ran an EX roulette when I really should have been in bed. I kept nodding off and I totally understand why I was kicked. The other time... your guess is as good as mine. It would have been awesome to get some sort of reason. That way I could have either known it was a bogus kick, or worked to better myself if it was for performance reasons. /shrug

[Alistaire]

Yeah I'm familiar with people who resort to saying "you don't understand" when someone disagrees with them.

But go ahead, keep arguing against everyone else when the facts are plain as day.

[Reynhart]

But go ahead, keep arguing against everyone else when the facts are plain as day.

Ok, so what did you fix ?
I said that vote kicks should be more difficult to obtain so that they'll focus more or real reasons, and you smugly come with a bland "fixed that for you" to defend more permissive kicks, which is exactly the problem.

It might be unfortunate that "differing playstyles" is so generic that it can account for pretty much anything under the sun, but that isn't the fault of the players.

You're right, it's the fault of the system...yet you still defend it.

[missybee]

You're right, it's the fault of the system...yet you still defend it.

I defend it because I absolutely believe that it works as intended more often than not.

Anecdotes don't tend to have a lot of value, but I've personally never been kicked and I have had some really bad runs...like I should have gotten kicked.

I basically have faith in the fact that more people are going to respect the system than abuse it, but to say that opinion isn't colored by my own experiences would be disingenuous.

kicks for not doing AoE are abusive.

Per the rules established by GMs, it just isn't.

[Snow_Princess]

The only thing that bugs me about the vote kick is people that queue together like as a pair or 3, have too much power over the randoms joining in and abuse it very easly. On the flipside, it can also be used to shield trolls. I had a run once where this person was very vulgar and aggressive and could not be kicked because of the 5/8 shield.

[Dualgunner]

Not nearly as far as you are going to ensure you're correct, facts be fanned. It's a non exhaustive list that focused on language, and the avoiding anti harassment was an example of something that didn't make their list.

[Reynhart]

Not nearly as far as you are going to ensure you're correct, facts be fanned. It's a non exhaustive list that focused on language, and the avoiding anti harassment was an example of something that didn't make their list.

No, it's a definition based on language with a non-exhaustive examples of them...and there may be other types, far more aggravating that someone pulling too much or too little for your taste.
On a sidenote, I'd like you to provide that "facts" you claim. And something more sturdy than "GM won't do anything because any reason can be shoehorned is "whatever we want it to be"". You can kick someone actively participating for "Connexion lost" and they'll still tell you "We can't intervene for different playstyle, sorry"

I really don't think the people who are kicking with reckless abandon care bout justification.

That's exactly why kicks should be more restrictive and less subject to a simple case of "bad look" or "not saying Hello".

[HyoMinPark]

That's exactly why kicks should be more restrictive and less subject to a simple case of "bad look" or "not saying Hello".

I find it doubtful that people kick for those reasons you listed. Please. Hyperbole doesn't help your arguments.


The fact that we're having to argue that harassment exists in more than just verbal forms is mind-boggling. Even SE is aware that harassment has many forms, not just verbal. Hence the last paragraph of their harassment definition.

[Dualgunner]

No, it's a definition based on language with a non-exhaustive examples of them...and there may be other types, far more aggravating that someone pulling too much or too little for your taste.

Avoiding anti harassment measures such as the black list is not language based harassment. Therefore, no, it is a list focused on language but leaves open the concept that action based harassment is still possible.