The feast is a Joke

[ManuelBravo]

Uh, do you actually they still don't do this? There is a whole discord server dedicated to PvP where people can get on voice. All removing the chat in-game did was give those discord players an enormous advantage because some people can't handle others saying mean things on the Internet. Feast has been largely a joke since that decision, and it doesn't sound like it's improved.

Discord is a tool outside of SE they can only control their end it's not rocket science to figure that out. That is more of a player based issue using a third party tool. IF SE can't prove it they can't band that goes for any company. Discord and SE are two separate entities. The only way to prevent anything would be to get rid of PvP. Of course people would just complain.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I have read "The New Chat Restriction in the Feast" , the impression I got was "hello cupcake generation". Same as any other thread it's too hard, now it's too easy, now there are bots. . . Overall I think SE is more than fair people are just too delicate and don't like change. So either adjust or stop playing it if it's such a bothersome things.

If this is what you got from that thread, you need to read again. Allow me to not mince words here: The truth of the matter is SE has established a pretty terrible rapport with their own PvP community, from ignoring feedback in the very forum they encourage it in, to making big changes with barely any forewarning or player feedback considered. There's no "cupcake generation" to be found here, and don't you dare try to trivialize it as such. Read the thread. It was 3 months and 40 pages of negative feedback and suggestions for better alternatives before they responded, asking for suggestions and encouraging more feedback. . . Now we're nearly a year later and 93 pages, and STILL no valid response to the continued negative feedback. More than fair? Yeah, right.

And if you think PvPers are too delicate and don't like change, you have absolutely no clue where you are or who you're talking to. All we ever wanted was change. That's why we gave feedback. That's why we encouraged people to try it rather than buy into whatever bad PR was continuously spread by players that largely scorned and didn't try/want to try PvP, however true or untrue it was. 4.0 PvP isn't terrible, but it's incredibly watered down from what we all played and enjoyed - perhaps in an attempt to make a mass appeal. And you say to just adjust? First off, those of us who already played hardly need to adjust. What made us good then, makes us incredible in the face of all the new blood coming in who don't know what we know. And that too is one of the bigger issues: People DON'T know what it was like, so to them anything after 3.5 PvP is a success. But to us who'd been there all along, all we've seen is changes we didn't want, and still no acknowledgement of any feedback given.

I suppose however that if you could simply make the statements you did before, you really aren't aware of this. For that, I highly encourage you to go and read around these forums. Don't just look at what was said, look at when it was said. Then look for dev/community rep responses. Do that, then try to say the things you've said. Because currently, your statements trying to validate the actions (or lack thereof) SE's taken are quite laughable and uninformed.

[KfLeX]

All day to just gain 4 points. I lost so many points tho could of been worse.

[Takatsuki]

Just that using the voice channels to get an advantage is generally frowned upon, and people call you out for doing it on said discord (if we talk about the same discord), atleast on Chaos.

[Theodric]

The idea that people can play any way they want because they pay a subscription fee has always been ridiculous. Ignorance is not a valid excuse to sabotage the enjoyment and progress of other players without there being repercussions and consequences. Square Enix have pushed themselves into a corner, too, by disallowing people the ability to actually offer constructive criticism to problematic players in an effort to just sweep glaring issues under a rug under the pretense of PvP being 'toxic' when in reality FFXIV's PvP is far from the worst in terms of toxicity when compared to many other competitive games out there.

It's a weird situation all around. Even those of us who want to offer constructive advice and help out new or inexperienced players in PvP are unable to do so because we cannot communicate efficiently and effectively with them. Given how important teamwork is in 4vs4 to say that such limitations are ridiculous would be a massive understatement.

[loreleidiangelo]

They ruined PVP for me when they tried to streamline actions down to MOBA-level values while still keeping their atrociously-slow GCD. MOBAs work with such limited action bars mostly because of the twitch-type nature of the gameplay (stutter-stepping, skillshots, last-hitting etc). GCDs and tab-target are the antithesis of that.

Healing blows since they took away most of my defensives/peels. Melee blows because it's an endless loop of animation-glitching as you frantically try to hit your target that the server is consistently pinging as being "out if your range" despite on your screen the player being practically in your hitbox. Tanking might be fun, idk, but from the sounds of this thread it doesn't seem that way.

Seriously, screw this new "PVP".

[Theodric]

I also want to point that that the slow responses are by no means limited to PvP, either. Players with accounts locked to the European region have been screwed over by both promotional campaigns orchestrated so far. It took months to get a response despite a similarly large thread surrounding that particularly issue and even then the response has yet to be followed up.

It's possible that the hands of the community representatives are tied very tightly, though.

[-IronWolf-]

The pvp system did indeed go down the shithole once the new system was implemented. While the system was complex they could've find ways to clear the hotbars without resorting to the stupid decision of dumb it down to 4 buttons. Also, the fact that anyone who has a class at lvl 30 can participate ruins everything even further. We have idiots who just queue into ranked pvp with lvl 30 to 50 characters, characters who don't even have gear in them and they don't have any clue of how to play them (because, and this is probably the biggest problem, 4 buttons is still too difficult for most of players). Today I lost over 10 games in a row and ended up getting demoted because I got teamed 7 times with this dumb lvl 54 healer who had no clue how to play the game. Yet there he was getting matched with diamond players and ruining everything.

Season 1 was actually an enjoyable experience. This season whoever is the worst experience this game has to offer.

And btw, the name of the healer was Yui Hirasawa from Leviathan. I know public shaming is bad and it might get me in trouble but for gods sake, if you are reading this stop queuing into ranked pvp just to lvl up your character, you are terrible and you are ruining the experience for those who actually want to win. You have options like practice 8v8 and Frontlines.
If you have the bad luck of getting this guy in your team be ready for a bad time, there is nothing you can do about it anyway.

[Headhunters]

[QUOTE=-IronWolf-;4373819
And btw, the name of the healer was Yui Hirasawa from Leviathan. I know public shaming is bad and it might get me in trouble but for gods sake, if you are reading this stop queuing into ranked pvp just to lvl up your character, you are terrible and you are ruining the experience for those who actually want to win. You have options like practice 8v8 and Frontlines.[/QUOTE]

who cares about going vs SE policy, if this is a good method to make them stop/train b4 ruining every1 experience, it's all good. Also it seems SE is giving lots of warnings to veteran players than new ppl. Really shit thinking of SE.

[Zandeth]

It is incredibly infuriating actually trying to get ranking while there are just so many people that queue up without knowing what their class even does. Like I'm sure that Broil spam the SCH is doing is soooooo much more important than healing the DPS who's very badly hurt right next to the healer. If you want to level a new class, do stuff that would actually matter. Like, oh I dunno what's that big thing we go into every day to progress and get stuff... DUNGEONS? Don't have gear? There's Palace. Hell, even Frontlines and 8v8 are better than ruining other people's attempts at actually being good at PvP.

This season just outright sucks. It's ridiculously easy to ruin anyone's enjoyment or progress, which makes the entire thing a joke. And if you're a person who gets off on doing that, you need help.