What do you think of speed running dungeons.

[New_Game_Plus]

Honestly, I don't like speed runs- especially in the Stormblood dungeons when leveling a healer. A lot of tanks don't use CDs and then end up bitching at you because you couldn't keep them alive.

Since I've been leveling PLD, unless a healer tells me to pull more, I'll do one mob at a time because of this.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So you can look around and explore it?

I did say "after a couple times." If there is no bonus, I can assume everyone else has cleared the dungeon at least once. You acknowledge Duty Finder parties random people together, thus you shouldn't have any preconceived expectations on how they will handle content. It makes more sense people who want to explore to use Party Finder as that method is specifically designed for players to set their own pace. Regardless, how long is long enough? Two weeks; two months? Majority rule will always set the pace, though the tank and healer have more say with dungeon runs. Oddly, using Party Finder for "practice" or "exploration" is a rare instance where JP and NA play similarly. JP players use Duty Finder to clear content efficiently because it's "rude" to waste time.

[Kosmos992k]

I did say "after a couple times." If there is no bonus, I can assume everyone else has cleared the dungeon at least once. You acknowledge Duty Finder parties random people together, thus you shouldn't have any preconceived expectations on how they will handle content. It makes more sense people who want to explore to use Party Finder as that method is specifically designed for players to set their own pace. Regardless, how long is long enough? Two weeks; two months? Majority rule will always set the pace, though the tank and healer have more say with dungeon runs. Oddly, using Party Finder for "practice" or "exploration" is a rare instance where JP and NA play similarly. JP players use Duty Finder to clear content efficiently because it's "rude" to waste time.

You're ignoring the basic purpose of Duty Finder. How Japanese players use Duty Finder is not entirely relevant to this. Duty Finder and Duty Roulette were explicitly created to allow for players who were not part of a larger group to be able to run content. It's not there to allow players who already group with others to find quick partners to farm content. That is what Party Finder was created for though.

Personally I think it's rude to expect pro-bro style runs of content when randomly matched with others.

[Hen-Hen]

Go fast.

Go as fast as your little legs can carry you.

That is the standard that has been set. People know how fast things can be run, either through lucky df or running with their FCs. Anything less than excellence they will see as the party not pulling its weight.

If you're new or not confident, say something. People are allowed to be bad at their jobs or unsure but the expected standard is bigger pulls and faster runs. So if you can't deal with that people are going to be more accommodating if you say something about it. Either that or run with people who know that you're still getting up to speed. Most of my FC started tanking or healing only within the FC until they learned how to do it effectively enough to keep the pace that people expect.

I love ten minute dungeon runs. When I leave a ten minute dungeon run I smile and tell all my friends how amazing it was. It's what I hope I get every time I roll solo. (When I roll with the FC I know I'll get it.)

[Cenerae]

I think doing small pulls when the group is capable of doing at least double pulls (which is every group that doesn't have an inexperienced/undergeared healer or an undergeared tank) is wasting time. Enemies aren't threatening enough to need to do single pulls, even in the later levelling Stormblood dungeons (again, provided that the tank or healer aren't undergeared and still in Shire gear trying to chain pull Doma Castle. Cut that out).

If anything, the only people I could see being upset about it are the healers (who can always indicate they're not comfortable with big pulls, if they aren't willing to do it. Groups typically will accomodate from my experience). Although considering there's a lot of healers out there that hate dealing damage and only want to use their healing spells, I'd have figured they'd *like* big pulls because it gives them more to actually heal.

But uh, yeah, if it's really that big of an issue, people should speak up. Like I said, groups are usually accomodating towards tanks or healers that are less confident about big pulls.

[loreleidiangelo]

I did forget that playing this game is like a household chore for some people.

Expert roulette IS a chore, though - for a player like me, at least. It's a boring tedious activity entirely below my skill level and yet the developers refuse to give me time-efficient alternatives to this mindless crap with regards to capping my weekly tomes.

Clearing Savage every week is only like 1/4th of the weekly cap...it should be half IMO, if not all. One faceroll 15-minute dungeon awards almost as much, and due to dodgy itemization and raid lockouts raiders are basically forced to participate to get BiS.

I think Expert roulette definitely has its purpose and rightful place in the game, but that still doesn't mean that its lack of engagement can really feel anything BUT "like a chore" for some players.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You're ignoring the basic purpose of Duty Finder. How Japanese players use Duty Finder is not entirely relevant to this. Duty Finder and Duty Roulette were explicitly created to allow for players who were not part of a larger group to be able to run content. It's not there to allow players who already group with others to find quick partners to farm content. That is what Party Finder was created for though.

Personally I think it's rude to expect pro-bro style runs of content when randomly matched with others.

No, I am not. You are placing an arbitrary requirement on how it should be used based on your subjective opinion. Which is fine, but others aren't necessarily going to agree. As per your own words, Duty Finder/Roulette exists solely to provide players an easy means of queuing into content. That is it. There is no other obligation nor expectation. You cannot claim it shouldn't be used for farms, speed runs or anything else nor should someone do the opposite. The only purpose of Duty Finder is to queue people together. What they decide to do afterwards is entirely subjective. Hence why GMs have specifically stated you may kick players for disliking their playstyle even if that pertains to small pulling.

Again. You can absolutely find it rude and control the pace as you please. No one else has to agree with that assessment though.

[SendohJin]

I totally get that there are many players who prefer speed runs. If that's your preference, that's what Party Finder let's you do. Duty finder ensures that you are randomly matched and there is a decent chance of new players or players who don't like speed running. So speed runs should never be the expectation in Duty Finder.

how does "many players who prefer speed runs" become "speed runs should never be the expectation"? you should expect both things to be possible especially if you're neither the tank nor the healer because they are the ones that set the expectation.

you have to prove your side to be the supermajority position if you want to tell the minority to stick to Party Finder.

[Miste]

You're ignoring the basic purpose of Duty Finder. Duty Finder and Duty Roulette were explicitly created to allow for players who were not part of a larger group to be able to run content.

DF was made for ease of access to content which everyone has the right to use no matter how they play.

Personally I think it's rude to expect pro-bro style runs of content when randomly matched with others.

You cannot have expectations of no speed run in DF either. You choose to DF which may put you with players of all types of play styles. You cannot have expectations of no "pro-bro style" runs just as others cannot have expectations that the rest of the party will always want to speed run. That is the whole point. No one can have ANY expectations at all, you included.

Like for example when I go into DF I am just going to play like I always play. IF someone has a problem with how I play they can speak up and if the party is in agreement I can compromise since it is a team effort.

Too many people think you can read their minds. As a tank especially.

You single pull and the group gets mad you aren't pulling more. You double pull and the group gets mad you are pulling too much or speed running.

If you want something specific from a random bunch of players that the game just threw together then you need to speak up and ask for what you want.

[Krotoan]

You're ignoring the basic purpose of Duty Finder....

Personally I think it's rude to expect pro-bro style runs of content when randomly matched with others.

Duty finder is a mechanic to match people running older content or lacking party members with people who are willing to run whatever and gives them a slight XP/gil/possibly crystal incentive to do it at least once a day. SE needed a way to help newbies progress and I think it works very well. PF is for people with very specific needs: IE: I want to do this run, this way. If you have any sort of preference, this is the way to go.
And while I personally will put up with quite a lot (I'll give a rundown of the dungeon, boss mechanics, wait for people to roll for loot and put it on) from someone who is obviously new, people should understand that using duty finder may match them up with someone who's idea of a run is to get through it as fast as possible. It's a give and take on both sides. Nobody who's been playing this game for more than a few months wants to wait for someone to read all the notes in Tam-tara, it would be nice, but let's be real here and say it: it's not fun for a level 60+ and understandable they'd wanna just get on with it. BUT, veterans need to understand that new people have never seen this stuff before and there is a lot of world to wonder at.

in the middle there is a balance of running a dungeon at a reasonable pace while allowing for newbie joy. Waiting for cutscenes is a given, if they wanna watch.. let em, most of us did it at least once (.. except those two instances. You know which ones. nobody has that kind of time or patience. Make a PF). Standing there after a chest drops for a minute? .. no.. roll on your loot and move to the next pack, maybe a quick "hangon, putting new gear on" if you need a moment to upgrade. No story or lore flavor between packs? get on with it, people have meters, buffs and mechanics that are ticking down and have been conditioned a LOT to try to optimize.

.. in the end though.. you do your DF and get on with your day, yelling at people isn't going to change anything (I highly suggest polite suggestions though).

TLDR:
DF is random. Use PF if you got requests.

new people: vets get bored, sorry. say something if you need something. People are jerks sometimes though.. bummer.

Vets: slow down from ludicrous speed for sprouts, they deserve a little bit of slack. you were new too once. It's not every time you just remember the really bad ones.