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    Player Magic-Mal's Avatar
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    Malina Loma
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    Can Summoners Get Some Of These Combat Changes?

    Warning: This has absolutely nothing to do with making big summons or bringing in anything from any FF game. This is about the FFXIV Summoner's performance and ways to do more damage or make gameplay easier

    Right now Summoner is in a bad spot.. it's single-target damage is low and its AoE is honestly pretty terrible(In comparison to other jobs now) and completely reliant on stacks. Not only that but there are some pretty annoying gameplay things with Summoner that just seem overlooked or just ignored and with 4.0, they should really be changed. I made this list in order of what I think would be the most important change to make:

    1. Make Egis OGCD abilities instead of long casts
    Why is it that summoning a thing during battle is the worst thing you can ever do as a Summoner? Why does summoning an Egi hurt you so much? Right now, SMN is the only job that is hurt by doing it's job specialty. I propose that Egi summoning be made like 4.0 BRD songs. Instant. On the fly. No silly penalty that basically makes you question why you summoned in the first place. Like BRD, they could all have a separate cooldown maybe 30secs. That should be good enough.

    2. Give Summoner a GCD AoE attack or something
    With Bane being nerfed to death, Deathflare nerfed, Miasma II deleted, Aetherflows in the trance taken away, and Blizzard II taken away, SMN really has no hope of doing any AoE damage outside of one burst that'll take away all of your resources. Without stacks you can only cast DoTs on each enemy then Ruin. While other jobs get to spam AoE... if SMN could get an AoE like that it would help alot. A Painflare-like AoE

    3. Can the Aetherflow mechanic be changed somehow?
    I'm talking about how if you use Aetherflow with 1-3 trance stacks your Aetherflow goes *POOF*! This is extra dumb and punishes way too hard if you make the tiny mistake of pressing that button. I'm not asking to allow Aetherflow attacks in trance, I'm asking if the Aetherflow stacks could not go into oblivion if you press the button.

    4. Bring Sustain back
    Just...... just please.

    5. Increase Ruin III and IV potency
    Please? Even by just a little bit?

    6. Fix Enkindle interruption if pet is moved, stunned, or paralyzed
    I really, really hate it when you if press Enkindle, a 3min cooldown, and your pet either loses target that very second, paralyzed, moved, whatever happens, your pet completely forgets the Enkindle attack and it's just gone. This has happened way too many times to count and it seriously needs to be fixed.

    7. Increase Dreadwyrm Trance timer to 20 seconds
    Just a little change but I'm sure it could make a nice difference if it happened..





    I'm not hoping for every single one of these changes to happen but I really do hope at least one of these happen. Because any one of these can make such a big difference with how SMN plays right now. All the other classes can have their timers and potencies changed through patches, why cant SMN? SCH got an attack back and AST got new abilities to help with cards, why can't SMN? Either way SMN needs help.
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    Last edited by Magic-Mal; 07-26-2017 at 03:59 AM.

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    BubblyBoar's Avatar
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    SMN does has a GCD AoE. Tri-bind does 30 pot AoE. Does it suck? Yes! But it has one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BubblyBoar View Post
    SMN does has a GCD AoE. Tri-bind does 30 pot AoE. Does it suck? Yes! But it has one.
    It's also so MP inefficient that you're better off just sitting their waiting for a better AoE to come back up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post

    4. Bring Sustain back
    Just...... just please.
    This was the one change that made me scratch my head and wonder just what the heck were they thinking. I've seen so many pet classes in so many different games but never a pet class that didn't have the ability to...ya know.../heal/ their pet with a designated pet only heal spell...until now >_>
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    Player Magic-Mal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BubblyBoar View Post
    SMN does has a GCD AoE. Tri-bind does 30 pot AoE. Does it suck? Yes! But it has one.
    30 potency!? Yay!
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    Just started leveling summoner myself (just hit 62) and I am not quite sure what the major problem is. I mean, I see the list but I feel like I was doing more than enough damage both single and AoE to be useful in the dungeon. The only thing I can agree with is the sustain considering it makes no sense to have a pet that you can't heal.
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    Quinton Lightblaze
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    I'm still wondering what SMNs doing with their pets to need Sustain so much.

    QUOTE=Ruinfeild;4328578]Just started leveling summoner myself (just hit 62) and I am not quite sure what the major problem is. I mean, I see the list but I feel like I was doing more than enough damage both single and AoE to be useful in the dungeon. The only thing I can agree with is the sustain considering it makes no sense to have a pet that you can't heal.[/QUOTE]

    In all honesty, they are blowing it out of proportion. Does SMN have problems? Oh most definitely, but the only major one is the punisshment for dying.
    BLM and SMN are sloppy when compared to RDM. RDM has power, mobility, sustainability, and utility all while being extremely easy to play
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcrash970 View Post
    I'm still wondering what SMNs doing with their pets to need Sustain so much.
    Solo content, as well as ifrit being hit by aoes but not being an easy target for healers
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmiley View Post
    Solo content, as well as ifrit being hit by aoes but not being an easy target for healers
    You do know you don't have to be right next to Ifrit while fighting a mob, right? If the aoe is center around the mob, use garuda. And besides if it's a world boss aoe, your egi, besides titan, is probaly going to get one shotted
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcrash970 View Post
    You do know you don't have to be right next to Ifrit while fighting a mob, right? If the aoe is center around the mob, use garuda. And besides if it's a world boss aoe, your egi, besides titan, is probaly going to get one shotted
    Uh... What does you being next to ifrit have to do with him getting cleaved constantly. Also if the answer is "use garuda" then that proves the problem. Almost everything that matters has aoes. not seeing your reasoning as to why they shouldnt get sustain back. Also, you didn't address titan issues in solo. Which is part of the game, even if not major.

    also they take enough reduced aoe to not get one-shotted, do you actually play smn? Even if its garuda, they have no good way to heal their own pet and cannot rely on others.
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