Last straw

[Yonnji]

They will change how Archer plays, differentiating itself from the rest of the DPS classes by becoming a buffer.

The rest of the DPS Jobs are still a question mark, but the most obvious current flaw of ARC dominancy over short-range DPS taken care of.

Unfortunately for you, some ARCs out there are planning to just keep shooting arrows, instead of turning selves into an MP/HP bitch for your party. Shocking, ain't it?

[Betelgeuzah]

Unfortunately for you, some ARCs out there are planning to just keep shooting arrows, instead of turning selves into an MP/HP bitch for your party. Shocking, ain't it?

Unfortunately for me? Other Jobs will do more damage and ARC's only saving grace is not being utilized.

They can keep being stubborn, it makes me wonder though- who would be dumb enough to invite a subpar DD with no other redeeming qualities? Unfortunately for people like them, for the reasons stated above I'm not going to do so. Shocking, ain't it?

Actually, it may be more likely that I will be the Bard doing my job properly and getting invited while laughing at the princess Archers who have to beg to be able to participate. So unfortunate for me.

[Bowen]

Unfortunately for me? Other Jobs will do more damage and ARC's only saving grace is not being utilized.

They can keep being stubborn, it makes me wonder though- who would be dumb enough to invite a subpar DD with no other redeeming qualities? Unfortunately for people like them, for the reasons stated above I'm not going to do so. Shocking, ain't it?

Actually, it may be more likely that I will be the Bard doing my job properly and getting invited while laughing at the princess Archers who have to beg to be able to participate. I am so unfortunate.

Wait a moment, I just realized something. Name: Captain Madagascar World: Selbina MRD: 26 MRD: 8
Hmmmm Interesting. . .
Though your point still stands.

[Fated]

Unfortunately for you, some ARCs out there are planning to just keep shooting arrows, instead of turning selves into an MP/HP bitch for your party. Shocking, ain't it?

Welcome to FFXIV, this is not FFXI.

We don't know how Bard even works yet. For all you know, you're going to hit one button to pop a 2 minute duration song and then go right back to your damage dealing rotation the way you've been doing.

[NoctisUmbra]

Unfortunately for you, some ARCs out there are planning to just keep shooting arrows, instead of turning selves into an MP/HP bitch for your party. Shocking, ain't it?

So a class with sub-par DPS compared to other classes - let alone their empowered Jobs - as opposed to a highly desirable buffing Job with unique buffs unavailable through other means that can also put out equal or higher DPS than it's class counterpart?

Good luck getting into any Full Party of Jobs with that attitude. ARC isn't getting a DPS focused Job. If you leveled ARC to DPS only, you've been informed well in advance that the first Job being released for it is not a DPS-centric one. Perhaps, and this is likely, they will implement a Sniper/Ranger Job accessible by ARC in the future, but be forewarned that this is not a situation one can best by perseverance.

You simply will not be welcome in any competitive Full Party tackling endgame content after 1.21 on ARC. Plain and simple.

[Yonnji]

Perhaps, and this is likely, they will implement a Sniper/Ranger Job accessible by ARC in the future, but be forewarned that this is not a situation one can best by perseverance.

It is the situation one can vote with his wallet. If SE can't give me a dedicated ranged DD job, I can always bid them adieu. And I won't be alone.

You simply will not be welcome in any competitive Full Party tackling endgame content after 1.21 on ARC. Plain and simple.

What endgame? Besides, since the last update ARC are doing quite nicely in Ifrit fight. And are actively sought after for Moogle King. You should try to keep up with the latest news.

[NoctisUmbra]

It is the situation one can vote with his wallet. If SE can't give me a dedicated ranged DD job, I can always bid them adieu. And I won't be alone.

That is your prerogative.

What endgame? Besides, since the last update ARC are doing quite nicely in Ifrit fight. And are actively sought after for Moogle King. You should try to keep up with the latest news.

I do keep up with the latest news. I am the latest news lol. Doing the latest content is my primary business in this game and has been for a while. You'd know that if you kept up with my posts in this very thread even.

They are sought out due to their ease of play and safety in the Moogle fight. This effects PUGs more than LS parties, due to PUGs consisting of people that probably haven't played with each other before and thus shouting only for ARCs to make the party safe rather than sorry.

That is besides the point however. With the release of jobs, there will be absolutely no reason to take an ARC over a BRD. This is my point.

[Yonnji]

That is besides the point however. With the release of jobs, there will be absolutely no reason to take an ARC over a BRD. This is my point.[/COLOR]

At this piont it is still no more then your personal, yet unproven conjecture, Mr. the latest news. Either way, it is irrelevant.

I can play the game the way I want. Or I can take my toys and go elsewhere. But I can never play the game the way you want me to play. Not gonna happen.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people willing to play your MP/TP bitch. I'm also sure there will be a few who'd rather quit, if a true ranged DD job/class is not forthcoming.

[NoctisUmbra]

At this piont it is still no more then your personal, yet unproven conjecture, Mr. the latest news. Either way, it is irrelevant.

I can play the game the way I want. Or I can take my toys and go elsewhere. But I can never play the game the way you want me to play. Not gonna happen.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people willing to play your MP/TP bitch. I'm also sure there will be a few who'd rather quit, if a true ranged DD job/class is not forthcoming.

Like I said, leaving is your prerogative. Your overall argumentative tone and appearance of threatening to leave is superfluous.

Enough is known about how Jobs will work to know that ARC simply loses it's ability to cross class skills when switched over to BRD. ARC has all the tools it needs natively to do it's DPS. ARC DPS on max output, rotating cooldowns, comes primarily from combos and roughly 30% of it from Light Shots and Barrage. Neither of this is lost with BRD.

What do you lose?

• Invigorate? You gain a better skill in the form of a song that increases not only your TP gain, but also the entire party's.
• Blood for Blood? Tested to give a static increase to damage done independent of the skill it is used on. Also only effects first hit in multistage skills. Not an essential buff by a longshot. Negligible difference. This can be confirmed on Carraway's Guide to Archer.
• Second Wind/Cure? Party environment with a WHM who is much more adept at healing than CNJ is at the moment. Coupled with ARC's native damage mitigation skills and overall safety it's not a huge loss. Certainly not one to be brought up on the comparison of being a ranged DD.

You seem to be under the impression that on BRD you will simply be standing still repeatedly using song spells to buff the party. The idea behind FFXIV's BRD is clearly that of support DPS as well as party buffs.

I don't mean to tell you how to play, I'm only pointing out facts. Using the information that has been revealed to us to compare BRD to straight ARC. It is acceptable for you to want a ranged pure DD class, and the disappointment that comes with not getting that is also understandable of course. However, as I said before, attempting to persevere despite the state of the game and their Jobs come 1.21 and join Full Parties consisting of players on Jobs on your Archer will undoubtedly only lead to further disappointment on your end. Based on hard, cold facts there is no clear advantage to playing ARC instead of a BRD in a Full Party environment come 1.21. At best you may get one or two fights/instances where the community demands ARC due to it's safety. I still highly doubt that due the the gap between other DDs and ARC no doubt getting quite wider with Jobs.

[Yonnji]

What do you lose?

• Invigorate? You gain a better skill in the form of a song that increases not only your TP gain, but also the entire party's.
• Blood for Blood? Tested to give a static increase to damage done independent of the skill it is used on. Also only effects first hit in multistage skills. Not an essential buff by a longshot. Negligible difference. This can be confirmed on Carraway's Guide to Archer.
• Second Wind/Cure? Party environment with a WHM who is much more adept at healing than CNJ is at the moment. Coupled with ARC's native damage mitigation skills and overall safety it's not a huge loss. Certainly not one to be brought up on the comparison of being a ranged DD.

I will assume you are not trying to teach me how to play an archer. Because I do have all these skills on my task bars. Of course, they serve me, and me alone.

You seem to be under the impression that on BRD you will simply be standing still repeatedly using song spells to buff the party. The idea behind FFXIV's BRD is clearly that of support DPS as well as party buffs.

This is an awfuly optimistic assessment. You do not even know yet how long these buffs are gonna last, nor anyone else. 4-5 minutes? I can probably live with that. 2 min or less? No, thank you. I'd rather do my main job - shoot arrows.

I'd rather part ways with SE than start playing just the way they want me to. The problem is not wvwn that I don't like to play a support class per se. The problem is that SE informed me that I will have to eventually play a support class or else, 14 months after I bought their box. That will not do.