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  1. #51
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    this is my prob too, and not cause the job specifics but it's near impossible to get a group unless your part of a linkshell that is running them all the time and that your someone willing to sit in vent all day long for the runs. first day of patch was pretty awesome, did all the nm's but by that time we done it was too late for most and they ran off before ever entering moogle. ....i still not even enter the dang thing to this day. people got there groups and linkshells and anyone else is manned out. it's pretty impossible to make a group.

    i was going to come and go patch by patch...like come for .21 for the dungeons but i changed my mind. what's the point if i can't get into the few things going on i haven't done yet right? and people that not staying the whole year stand no chance really ...they need to merge servers or they probably won't see me till 2.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeble View Post
    this is my prob too, and not cause the job specifics but it's near impossible to get a group unless your part of a linkshell that is running them all the time and that your someone willing to sit in vent all day long for the runs. first day of patch was pretty awesome, did all the nm's but by that time we done it was too late for most and they ran off before ever entering moogle. ....i still not even enter the dang thing to this day. people got there groups and linkshells and anyone else is manned out. it's pretty impossible to make a group.

    i was going to come and go patch by patch...like come for .21 for the dungeons but i changed my mind. what's the point if i can't get into the few things going on i haven't done yet right? and people that not staying the whole year stand no chance really ...they need to merge servers or they probably won't see me till 2.0
    Good thing they already confirmed server merges, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    In conclusion, the classes are quite well balanced right now. People can perform more or less the same on any DD class in Moogle by design. The community, by practice, is enforcing ARC as a failsafe for people they don't know. This is not something the devs can fix, because class-stacking is not something the devs can fully prevent. They can simply do their best to not encourage it - which they have. There are lots of utility to other classes that most of the community is turning a blind eye to. Make some friends, play with the same people as much as you can, and prove your capabilities on your favorite class - yet if it doesn't work out and you are not able to make your favorite class work, then have the decency to switch to a class you can help the party with.
    You're right about they can't stop class stacking, but they can discourage it. Something they haven't done yet.

    One of the biggest advantages ARC has in the moogle fight is their combos are a joke to pull off. Unless the mob is aggroing you as an ARC, you don't have much of an excuse not to be 8+ yalms away from the target. However, the same can't be said about melee. Comboing the moogles as a melee is somewhat annoying due to their size, them running away and calling for help after they take so much damage, and possibly latency registering the hit in an unintended direction. I've noticed if I run through a mob and use Impulse dive without pausing for a moment, the client registers it as a frontal attack even though I was behind the mob on my screen.

    One of the best remedies for this would be removing the crap requirements for combos and having them only fail if you miss or get resisted. Even then I fear people will only use archers, claiming MRD/BLM AoEs do too much damage or some bullsh*t excuse like that.

    Stupid excuse? Very. But...
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    Last edited by Corrderio; 12-29-2011 at 12:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeble View Post
    this is my prob too, and not cause the job specifics but it's near impossible to get a group unless your part of a linkshell that is running them all the time and that your someone willing to sit in vent all day long for the runs. first day of patch was pretty awesome, did all the nm's but by that time we done it was too late for most and they ran off before ever entering moogle. ....i still not even enter the dang thing to this day. people got there groups and linkshells and anyone else is manned out. it's pretty impossible to make a group.

    i was going to come and go patch by patch...like come for .21 for the dungeons but i changed my mind. what's the point if i can't get into the few things going on i haven't done yet right? and people that not staying the whole year stand no chance really ...they need to merge servers or they probably won't see me till 2.0
    you're in luck http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...787#post492787. Would assume our server is going to be near the top of the list to dissolve after p2p goes live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viion View Post
    Its not just him when the reason you aint winning is because you aint Arc! XD

    But it is sad it comes to this, the developers just dont know how to make a well balanced battle lol.
    my LS beat moogle with no raise mechanic and only 1 archer, just sayin

    biggest prob is the time limit, usually we get to king with 10-12 min on clock, but gotta play it safe with not all archer setup.

    i would suggest to devs to nix the limit or extend so people dont feel forced into speed runs
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    Last edited by syntaxlies; 12-29-2011 at 12:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathgiver View Post
    you're in luck http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...787#post492787. Would assume our server is going to be near the top of the list to dissolve after p2p goes live.
    this is awesome news, guess i'll be around for .21 after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    In any other MMO, I'd agree.
    But the fact that you can change classes on the fly makes it a pretty weak complaint to me. You're not bound to one class like with other MMO's.

    Need to be an archer in this situation? Be an archer.
    Situation calls for a tank? Be a Gladiator.
    Need to heal your party? Go for Conjurer.

    The only thing stopping you is yourself.

    By the by, I hope this doesn't sour my position in Counter Post. I really am a good boy. Honest I am.
    Lol we are just sharing our opinions, I wouldn't kick someone out for an honest discussion. I just don't see what you see is all. I can understand that in some cases we should change to be a healer, DD, or tank. Not to be a particular in DD because people want you too. My friend Reni Chan, never changed her class from archer pre patch for Ifrit. We won plenty of times and we weren't going to force her to become a LNC and neither have I, granted I was CNJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrderio View Post
    You're right about they can't stop class stacking, but they can discourage it. Something they haven't done yet.

    One of the biggest advantages ARC has in the moogle fight is their combos are a joke to pull off. Unless the mob is aggroing you as an ARC, you don't have much of an excuse not to be 8+ yalms away from the target. However, the same can't be said about melee. Comboing the moogles as a melee is somewhat annoying due to their size, them running away and calling for help after they take so much damage, and possibly latency registering the hit in an unintended direction. I've noticed if I run through a mob and use Impulse dive without pausing for a moment, the client registers it as a frontal attack even though I was behind the mob on my screen.

    One of the best remedies for this would be removing the crap requirements for combos and having them only fail if you miss or get resisted. Even then I fear people will only use archers, claiming MRD/BLM AoEs do too much damage or some bullsh*t excuse like that.

    Stupid excuse? Very. But...
    I stated that they have discouraged stacking. Each class is unique with crowd control options being split among them, DPS is balanced - ARC does not have the highest ceiling - and melee player's CAN do equal or higher damage in Moogle.

    You said it yourself in the end - players will find some excuse to follow the status quo.
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    You know, if the first fight of Moggle Mog no one went in with Archers but was with a MRD and PGL setup that won, people would probably be complaining about having to level Marauders and pugilist..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    You know, if the first fight of Moggle Mog no one went in with Archers but was with a MRD and PGL setup that won, people would probably be complaining about having to level Marauders and pugilist..
    Exactly.
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