Last straw

[Corrderio]

I don't understand. Since 1.18 people have been coming on here and complaining about how they can't get into pickup groups with their desired class. Why do you even want to join a pickup group? They're terrible. Make friends and join/make a linkshell to do this stuff with instead.

Most linkshells do the same thing pickups do. Don't have the class they want level and want to go as something else? That's pretty much a denied application right there.

[Renshi]

I tell you, I'm L50 on Marauder and Archer, and guess what? I'm doing more damage as a Marauder.
Why? Nope, it's not because of the gear, neither of the actions placement in my bar. It's because I don't know how to play Archer, so I'm better with Marauder.
I'm not joking if I say I outstand Archers sometimes, so it really depends on how well you play a class.
People requiring only Archers in their parties, or only Thaumaturges in Ifrit parties are just Easy Mode lazy f*cks who want things just to accomodate their needs. I'm not gonna expertise me in Archer that much, since my second class is Pugilist, so party recruiters have to deal with it =)

[AdvancedWind]

I don't understand. Since 1.18 people have been coming on here and complaining about how they can't get into pickup groups with their desired class. Why do you even want to join a pickup group? They're terrible. Make friends and join/make a linkshell to do this stuff with instead.

I never really joined a pickup group, but there plenty of valid reasons to join one. Here are a few:

"I want to do content at this one time when none or my friends or LS mates are online."

"I want to try doing X but everyone is busy doing Y and I don't want to bother"

"I don't really want to commit to an endgame LS / can't find one that suits me but still want to do this one content"

"I'm sorta bored but there's this group shouting for X, maybe I should join for a while"


It may be quite a shock for some people, but not everyone is in the top linkshells of their servers, has full friend list just waiting a /tell for Dzemael Darkhold or even want to do endgame at scheduled hours. Pick up groups will always exist and every once in a while they do win fights lol

[SniperRifle]

There is probably a missing variable OP hasn't mentioned. My friends would let me go on any class I wanted to try, even if it meant we would wipe.

In any other MMO, I'd agree.
But the fact that you can change classes on the fly makes it a pretty weak complaint to me. You're not bound to one class like with other MMO's.

And I had to pick a side, but this sums it up. It's no surprise either, the devs pretty much shout it in your face w/ this 1-50 in 1 zone, in less then 1 month. Every single class betters from having every other class up. And I'm most certain, if OP had his Archer to 50, he would probably enjoy playing it.

I'm no mind reader though...

[YuriSan]

It seems every patch its another class that is superior to all else and it leaves almost
all other classes out of the game and peeps that dont have that class leveled
pretty much either cant or have a hard time getting into a pt..

Darkhold = ARC
Ifrit = LNC
Moogle = ARC and THM

Well i totally dont see why this should be happening but it really does, dont think u should quit over it though lol. just see if u can level everything for the future
awesome content and have ur mind at ease about finding pts later in the game.

[smokymcweed]

heres a neat idea. how about this IF there are more than one of any class other than tank cl;asses in the party the stacked classes suffer a 50% loss of hp acc dmg and suffer an unremoveable 55 a tick dot effect balanced party issues solved
ps and a 50% loss to mp for casters lol have fun with this idea.
pss no i dont care if the trolls think it sucks. my idea pones them

[RemVye]

heres a neat idea. how about this IF there are more than one of any class other than tank cl;asses in the party the stacked classes suffer a 50% loss of hp acc dmg and suffer an unremoveable 55 a tick dot effect balanced party issues solved

lmao... this is why I love these forums

[NoctisUmbra]

You guys just don't get it do you?

It's a path of least resistance the community will enforce usually on players they do not know, because ARC is the class you are least likely to perform horribly on to them. Plain and simple. It has been made the status quo. There are more than enough examples of groups beating Moogle with no more than a single ARC in party.

As for people who have a bunch of classes at 50, yet they chose to play one - you better be much better at what you do on that class you chose to play than the one that people want you to or else you're just messing it up for yourself. Moogle is NOT like what Batraal or Ifrit were. One class is not vastly superior.
During 1.18, ARC had a much higher DPS ceiling than the other DD. Plain and simple no matter how well you played, a decent ARC would do more DPS. That was wrong.
With Ifrit, LNC did the highest DPS, perhaps tied with MRD for single target at best, and it could completely avoid Sear. Obvious encouragement for class-stacking here.
Since 1.20, however, all the DPS classes are quite balanced. No, ARC does not do the greatest DPS either single target or AoE. It is however the most flexible and safe option. This is a great reason for it being preferred for groups of people who have little experience in the fight. You can shoot arrows at a safe distance and perform combos without positional requirements. It's much more n00b-proof. So when someone doesn't know you can perform, they'll tell you to go ARC.

BUT, since there is no reason why a competent player on another class shouldn't put out at least as much damage as an average ARC, if you chose to go in on PGL, MRD, or LNC then you best be doing just that - or else don't even argue and deal with it. First and foremost what is expected of each party member is to be doing anything they can to maximize their utility to best that encounter.

In conclusion, the classes are quite well balanced right now. People can perform more or less the same on any DD class in Moogle by design. The community, by practice, is enforcing ARC as a failsafe for people they don't know. This is not something the devs can fix, because class-stacking is not something the devs can fully prevent. They can simply do their best to not encourage it - which they have. There are lots of utility to other classes that most of the community is turning a blind eye to. Make some friends, play with the same people as much as you can, and prove your capabilities on your favorite class - yet if it doesn't work out and you are not able to make your favorite class work, then have the decency to switch to a class you can help the party with.

[HiirNoivl]

You guys just don't get it do you?

It's a path of least resistance the community will enforce usually on players they do not know, because ARC is the class you are least likely to perform horribly on to them. Plain and simple. It has been made the status quo. There are more than enough examples of groups beating Moogle with no more than a single ARC in party.

As for people who have a bunch of classes at 50, yet they chose to play one - you better be much better at what you do on that class you chose to play than the one that people want you to or else you're just messing it up for yourself. Moogle is NOT like what Batraal or Ifrit were. One class is not vastly superior.
During 1.18, ARC had a much higher DPS ceiling than the other DD. Plain and simple no matter how well you played, a decent ARC would do more DPS. That was wrong.
With Ifrit, LNC did the highest DPS, perhaps tied with MRD for single target at best, and it could completely avoid Sear. Obvious encouragement for class-stacking here.
Since 1.20, however, all the DPS classes are quite balanced. No, ARC does not do the greatest DPS either single target or AoE. It is however the most flexible and safe option. This is a great reason for it being preferred for groups of people who have little experience in the fight. You can shoot arrows at a safe distance and perform combos without positional requirements. It's much more n00b-proof. So when someone doesn't know you can perform, they'll tell you to go ARC.

BUT, since there is no reason why a competent player on another class shouldn't put out at least as much damage as an average ARC, if you chose to go in on PGL, MRD, or LNC then you best be doing just that - or else don't even argue and deal with it. First and foremost what is expected of each party member is to be doing anything they can to maximize their utility to best that encounter.

In conclusion, the classes are quite well balanced right now. People can perform more or less the same on any DD class in Moogle by design. The community, by practice, is enforcing ARC as a failsafe for people they don't know. This is not something the devs can fix, because class-stacking is not something the devs can fully prevent. They can simply do their best to not encourage it - which they have. There are lots of utility to other classes that most of the community is turning a blind eye to. Make some friends, play with the same people as much as you can, prove your capabilities on your favorite class - yet if it doesn't work out and you are not able to make your favorite class work, then have the decency to switch to a class you can help the party with.

All melee can tank on moogle

[ninesunz]

Make your own parties.

Right now my only problem is no one joins my shouts