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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkoun View Post
    I had previously asked what's to stop someone from playing archer rather than bard in a full group.

    Now the flip-side: what's to stop someone from playing bard (or any job) when solo?
    Lack of role diversity? You need to be a tank, healer and DD at the same time when you solo, and Jobs only excel in one.

    What good is excellent healing capabilities going to help you if your DPS suffers as a result rendering your cure potency meaningless?

    No, I just find it interesting that you have posted about lvl 50 content before when you aren't even lvl 50 yet. . .
    If what I say is inaccurate I am sure people will correct me. My stats aren't hidden.

    There aren't too many things that don't deal with MMO's in general and not just high level XIV environment though, so other than being a good excuse to ignore me regardless of the accuracy of my statements it is hardly relevant. I am smarter than to argue outside of what I already know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    If what I say is inaccurate I am sure people will correct me. My stats aren't hidden.

    There aren't too many things that don't deal with MMO's in general and not just high level XIV environment though, so other than being a good excuse to ignore me regardless of the accuracy of my statements it is hardly relevant. I am smarter than to argue outside of what I already know.
    When people don't know what to add to reinforce their debate, they quickly point at peoples job level. They have nothing else to add at this point.
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    All I see is hurr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer View Post
    When people don't know what to add to reinforce their debate, they quickly point at peoples job level. They have nothing else to add at this point.
    Hrm? I'm not really debating with him. More like watching were this thread goes. I just noticed while looking under his avatar that he was a low level. I was confused because I swore that he had talked about endgame content before so I checked his character and found he only had one other battle class at an even lower level. I just found it interesting is all.
    Talking about his job level wouldn't make much sense for my debate either because my highest is 33 CNJ anyway. >_>;
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    2.0 will fix it.
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    Quit crying.

    Classes are balanced.

    If you can't get invites because nobody wants you then either make some friends or make yourself desirable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    Quit crying.

    Classes are balanced.

    If you can't get invites because nobody wants you then either make some friends or make yourself desirable.
    Actually, classes aren't balanced at all yet, even SE has said this. We have at least 2 more patches to go before the combat job system is at a place SE is happy with. I fail to understand how you have missed this information since they have said it time and again. 1.20 represents a little under HALF the class reforms they want. The other half we are scheduled to get when they drop the new jobs on us in 1.21.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    Actually, classes aren't balanced at all yet, even SE has said this. We have at least 2 more patches to go before the combat job system is at a place SE is happy with. I fail to understand how you have missed this information since they have said it time and again. 1.20 represents a little under HALF the class reforms they want. The other half we are scheduled to get when they drop the new jobs on us in 1.21.
    Actually, classes are balanced. Classes are complete as far as reforms go. Implementing Jobs has little to do with classes. When Jobs are implemented, current endgame content will become more well-rounded as far as party-makeup goes. I am well aware of every detail pertaining to the Job system updates especially that we have coming.

    What this thread is about is the stacking of ARC in the Moogle fight. What I am saying is that it is not due to class balance. ARC is not overpowered. It is simply the safest, and in turn the easiest DD to play at the moment. It actually has the 2nd lowest DPS ceiling out of all the DDs, beating only GLA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    Quit crying.

    Classes are balanced.

    If you can't get invites because nobody wants you then either make some friends or make yourself desirable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    Actually, classes aren't balanced at all yet, even SE has said this. We have at least 2 more patches to go before the combat job system is at a place SE is happy with. I fail to understand how you have missed this information since they have said it time and again. 1.20 represents a little under HALF the class reforms they want. The other half we are scheduled to get when they drop the new jobs on us in 1.21.
    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    Actually, classes are balanced. Classes are complete as far as reforms go. Implementing Jobs has little to do with classes. When Jobs are implemented, current endgame content will become more well-rounded as far as party-makeup goes. I am well aware of every detail pertaining to the Job system updates especially that we have coming.

    What this thread is about is the stacking of ARC in the Moogle fight. What I am saying is that it is not due to class balance. ARC is not overpowered. It is simply the safest, and in turn the easiest DD to play at the moment. It actually has the 2nd lowest DPS ceiling out of all the DDs, beating only GLA.
    I would wait for the Jobs to come before talking about balancement =)
    Also remember that we miss come classes, like Musketeer, Arcanist and something either a Pet Class, a Scouter or something else.
    For now, I'd say they're pretty balanced. It just saddens me that the attribute Evasion isn't that effective. My Pugilist friend had multiple Materia of Evasion+. and tanking Ifrit and the Great Buffalo we noticed he took all the hits. All The Hits!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renshi View Post
    I would wait for the Jobs to come before talking about balancement =)
    Also remember that we miss come classes, like Musketeer, Arcanist and something either a Pet Class, a Scouter or something else.
    For now, I'd say they're pretty balanced. It just saddens me that the attribute Evasion isn't that effective. My Pugilist friend had multiple Materia of Evasion+. and tanking Ifrit and the Great Buffalo we noticed he took all the hits. All The Hits!
    Yea, it just seems to be the case with Ifrit that you barely ever, if at all, evade anything of his; even with Featherfoot. I've evaded lots versus Lv50+ mobs and moogles though even without Featherfoot with my evasion gear.
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