Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
Before you talk about "real utility", let's start by specifying what you actually want. Preferably in terms that offer greater clarity than "all the toys!"
Maybe the better starting point would be "What are you willing to give up for that utility?"

I know that when I play PLD I'm pretty much categorically thinking "I really wish that I had Vengeance instead of Passage of Arms". Maybe they'd like that to be the other way around.