Paladin too overpowered, nerf their damage output!

[Aletin]

complete and utter nonsense. Stop spreading such lies. Tanks aren't that far appart at the moment.

This, so much this.
If PLD was 100% in efficiency, WAR would be about 95% (I would go as far to say about 98%) and DRK would be about 90%.
Not this nonsense how of PLD is like 130%, WAR 70% and DRK 50%
For the most part the Tanks are balanced, with a slight lacking in DRK mitigation and DPS

[Jelly_Baby]

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.

[anubis1820]

I love how everyone who ever played pally acts like they didn't start off as the best tank in game during 2.0 then warrior got nerfed to lower IB from 300% life back to 100%. Hell I remember the beginning of coils I cleared Twin as a solo pally i90 gear. It was only when we got are dps stance from HW we became OT gods. Also nobody's talks about the bonuses we lost for having stacks and not using them

[Ultimatecalibur]

I love how everyone who ever played pally acts like they didn't start off as the best tank in game during 2.0 then warrior got nerfed to lower IB from 300% life back to 100%. Hell I remember the beginning of coils I cleared Twin as a solo pally i90 gear. It was only when we got are dps stance from HW we became OT gods. Also nobody's talks about the bonuses we lost for having stacks and not using them

Paladin didn't start off as the best tank in 2.0 it was the only functioning tank in 2.0. The 2.0 Warrior was incredibly flawed with a very narrow window of tanking viability that depended heavily on incoming damage versus the Warrior's damage output. The Warrior varied between overpowered in content it outgeared, effective in content it was geared for and squishy in content it was undergeared for.

The Warrior was heavily buffed so that its viability window was much larger starting in 2.1.

[Mycow8me]

I don't know what the solution is but we fellow tanks need to stop butting heads otherwise its going to never end. I remember back in very early 2.0 plds were complaining about wielding toothpicks with the amount of damage they do and warriors were complaining that they had a giant axe and were doing the same dps as a paladin with a small sword. Its funny if you think about it. Now were back to practically the same complaints.

The only thing I can agree towards currently is that there should be a balance between utiltiy/mitigation/dps for tanks marginally. The counter to that is that we currently have a very high tank dps meta because of hard enrages and SE is shooting themselves in the foot cause of it... seriously what happened to soft enrages? Paladin finally gets an amazing utility skill and things like ahk mourn spam soft enrages are gone... So the utility part when considering balance for tanks is really not nearly as comparable to the DPS aspect. There's a lot to consider right now, that's why I don't have much to contribute to a real solution. Right now its prolly best that the tanks are so close to each other dps wise but SE really needs to give war atleast 1 utility skill and shake it off could have been it. I'd rather see that then a pld nerf, don't worry pldbros some of us wars stand with you.

[347SPECTRE]

Well they did say they were looking into changing Shake it off in 4.1, so we just might see that for WAR at least. Hopefully some love for DRK as well.

[Syfurion]

Well they did say they were looking into changing Shake it off in 4.1, so we just might see that for WAR at least. Hopefully some love for DRK as well.

This concerns me a little, personally. It's a fairly niche button in the end, but I've grown rather fond of it.

Amusingly, Warriors in GW2 also have a skill called 'Shake it Off' which breaks stuns and removes conditions, but is an AoE shout that also cleanses those effects from nearby allies.

[Mycow8me]

This concerns me a little, personally. It's a fairly niche button in the end, but I've grown rather fond of it.

Amusingly, Warriors in GW2 also have a skill called 'Shake it Off' which breaks stuns and removes conditions, but is an AoE shout that also cleanses those effects from nearby allies.

I would come to love shake it off too if it really did remove everything except vuln/resistance/damage stacks. Even the confuse from lakshimi/directional marches/hysteria/frog/pig/etc... and other things that are not currently removable. That would not in any way make it OP and make it actually useful beyond niche content.

[Theodric]

I would come to love shake it off too if it really did remove everything except vuln/resistance/damage stacks. Even the confuse from lakshimi/directional marches/hysteria/frog/pig/etc... and other things that are not currently removable. That would not in any way make it OP and make it actually useful beyond niche content.

That would just screw with many mechanics and make balancing fights all the more difficult. Plus it'd easily cause a situation where groups deliberately recruit 1-2 WAR for the sake of cheesing specific mechanics. Much like how the infamous 'SKIP SOAR' came to be the norm for Zurvan EX.

[Mycow8me]

That would just screw with many mechanics and make balancing fights all the more difficult. Plus it'd easily cause a situation where groups deliberately recruit 1-2 WAR for the sake of cheesing specific mechanics. Much like how the infamous 'SKIP SOAR' came to be the norm for Zurvan EX.

I disagree, I don't see how that would cheese anything. It's easy to say that but you didn't even provide an example.