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    Zfz's Avatar
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    WAR design was flawed in the beginning. Or rather, I should say that the differentiation philosophy between the tanks was flawed.

    The WAR needs to be able to MT, which means content had to be balanced to make it's "lower defense" shortcoming not a shortcoming, which meant that the PLD's superior defense was not needed, resulting in the PLD not being a tank with superior defense, but just a tank with bad dps. Tank differentiation should never have been about survivability and dps. It should have been about playstyle and lore. All tanks should bring similar utility and dps to the raid. But they should play wildly different.

    The PLD was the simple tank, sword and board, passive mitigation. The WAR could have been an active mitigation tank (instead of the original concept of damage absorption). The DRK could have been a stance dance gameplay (as in actually frequently changing stances, not the current stance dance we know now).
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    Nazmul Souless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    WAR design was flawed in the beginning. Or rather, I should say that the differentiation philosophy between the tanks was flawed.

    The WAR needs to be able to MT, which means content had to be balanced to make it's "lower defense" shortcoming not a shortcoming, which meant that the PLD's superior defense was not needed, resulting in the PLD not being a tank with superior defense, but just a tank with bad dps.

    This is pretty much why almost every modern MMo stoped to have defencive and offencive tanks.

    In a balanced MO all tanks have about the same DPS and Defence (some have lower mitigation but higher self heal to make sure all around they are as tough). Todays tank differention is done in the flavor (different game mechanics and different animations).

    otherwise you will always end with a weaker tank and a top one.
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    Drake Orkaan
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    i witnessed a PLD (70) take on ifrit extreme solo (unsynced). may not sound like a big deal, but seeing this particular PLD brush off ifrit's damage with more than a few self-heals and ending the battle with more than 80% health was enough to convince me that something was wrong.
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    Miuna Shiodome
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon View Post
    i witnessed a PLD (70) take on ifrit extreme solo (unsynced). may not sound like a big deal, but seeing this particular PLD brush off ifrit's damage with more than a few self-heals and ending the battle with more than 80% health was enough to convince me that something was wrong.
    Something is wrong because someone can solo content from 2 expansions ago? Is this your first MMORPG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon View Post
    i witnessed a PLD (70) take on ifrit extreme solo (unsynced). may not sound like a big deal, but seeing this particular PLD brush off ifrit's damage with more than a few self-heals and ending the battle with more than 80% health was enough to convince me that something was wrong.
    Warriors were soloing Ifrit Extreme back at level 60, though. I don't understand your surprise.

    A Paladin can heal his or her way through any fight as long as s/he can recover mana (for healing) faster than s/he takes damage. That's pretty easy to do when the Paladin's opponent is 20 levels lower and the level difference is causing an abnormal amount of successful "dodges" for the player, or when the opponent spends a lot of time not attacking the Paladin because of mechanics.

    Like the Magitek Scorpion boss in the Ala Mhigo Dungeon - it seems to spend more time locked in sequences of avoidable AOE damage than actually hitting the tank with direct attacks, which makes it fairly easy to survive even if a healer dies halfway through the fight.
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    Last edited by Gyson; 08-10-2017 at 03:18 PM.

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    Ethan Vayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon View Post
    i witnessed a PLD (70) take on ifrit extreme solo (unsynced). may not sound like a big deal, but seeing this particular PLD brush off ifrit's damage with more than a few self-heals and ending the battle with more than 80% health was enough to convince me that something was wrong.
    So long as you can self-heal properly, this is a ridiculous statement to make.
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    Malkomia Shadowheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon View Post
    i witnessed a PLD (70) take on ifrit extreme solo (unsynced). may not sound like a big deal, but seeing this particular PLD brush off ifrit's damage with more than a few self-heals and ending the battle with more than 80% health was enough to convince me that something was wrong.
    Wow great. He beated a boss that is far lower than himself...
    I beated Titan EX Solo unsynched as PLD (70). That is not a big deal anymore...
    The big deal was the WAR (60) solo Titan EX unsynched in HW
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    Elfidan Gadfor
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    Dark knight use to be the magic tank with slightly higher dps than a pally until SE decided paladin needed to have all the things.

    You will probably be really upset to find out RDM wrecks all the ARR ex primals then Mystic.
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    Last edited by Elfidan; 08-10-2017 at 10:42 AM.
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    What a time to be alive.
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    K'hali Thalen
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    While WAR are QQing about no longer having God-Tier DPS as a tank, DRK would like to ask why SE removed half their damage mitigation abilities in SB... which are far more relevant to you know, tanking
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