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  1. #1
    Player
    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    Lets be honest, it makes no sense that a class who wears a shield and a toothpick deals more damage than classes with a big ass axe or a huge sword.
    So what about knives ? Or Fisticuffs ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    Well, it's true. WAR's have always been the "DPS" of the tanks to make up for their low defense
    With the way encounters are designed, there is no "low defense" to make up for.
    Quote Originally Posted by AdventZero View Post
    Alright, lets nerf PLD's damage output through the floor. However! The trade off is that PLD's defense and healing are boosted to the point that a PLD and 3 DPS can easily clear a 4 person dungeon. Or a PLD, 0-1 healer, and 6-7 DPS can handle 8 person raids.
    I still think you need content designed for two tanks. But 2 tanks, 1 healer and 5 DPS should be an option if you have the "king of mitigation" in your setup. But, PLD should have the option to trade the right amount of damage for the right amount of defense, for when you end in a usual 2-2-4 setup where the increased defense is not needed. For example, imagine if the PLD could Block on GCD. Sure, it can allow you to have a permanent -20ish% damage reduction, but at the cost of most of your DPS. So you'd have to chose how many GCD you sacrifice for mitigation.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 08-10-2017 at 10:18 PM.

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    RLofOBFL's Avatar
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    Lala Yuki
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 70
    All tank dps is really close right now. I don't think Pld needs nerfing, just Drk and War need slight potency buffs and it will all be fine imo.
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    Valinis's Avatar
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    Miuna Shiodome
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    Tonberry
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    Paladin Lv 70
    WAR reigned for 2.0 and 3.0, let PLD have the stage for a change.
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    Syfurion's Avatar
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    Vahette Lauclaire
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    I like how everyone just completely disregards DRK from the running of being the 'best' tank.

    While I would be in agreement than PLD is more than a little silly right now, I would rather just have the other tanks brought above them in damage, rather than gutting out PLD. Then again, with how they've been handling MCH and SMN, I'm not sure I trust them to buff things either....
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    Last edited by Syfurion; 08-10-2017 at 10:10 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    To be fair, it's not so much a flame war as it's 12 pages of people agreeing the OP is an idiot.

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    Syrus718's Avatar
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    Character
    O'siris Nunh
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 70
    I Wish People Would Stop Screaming Nerf And Just Enjoy The Dann Job That They Play.My Paladin is At 54 My Warrior is 70, So I Don't Care About What Other jobs Can do Better, I Guess I'm one of the Few who just enjoys playing whatever jobs I use... And Before you Start Talking endgame Know I Beat all Content Except 0s4 because I'm Not Really Pressed for it
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    Jelly_Baby's Avatar
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    Jelly Baby
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    Midgardsormr
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    Miner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Syrus718 View Post
    I Wish People Would Stop Screaming Nerf And Just Enjoy The Dann Job That They Play.My Paladin is At 54 My Warrior is 70, So I Don't Care About What Other jobs Can do Better, I Guess I'm one of the Few who just enjoys playing whatever jobs I use...
    I'm in the same boat as you, I'm actually looking forward to levelling a dark knight from scratch just because I got a glamour sword from one of the new FATE's! I forgot what it's called, but the FATE boss looked like those huge iron giants from FFX lol. I currently main Paladin but I actually want to change to a "lesser" tank.
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    Tegernako's Avatar
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    Crusina Luachra
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Valinis View Post
    WAR reigned for 2.0 and 3.0, let PLD have the stage for a change.
    All tanks deserve to feel good at any point, at every point. To argue otherwise is both selfish and hypocritical. The spotlight arguement is bad because you're basically saying other people should suffer just so others can feel good.

    This should never be a motivation when balancing things or when trying to decide if you should nerf/buff somethign.
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    Last edited by Tegernako; 08-11-2017 at 11:20 AM.

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    Conna's Avatar
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    Character
    Kaos Conna
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Valinis View Post
    WAR reigned for 2.0 and 3.0, let PLD have the stage for a change.
    if you were there for 2.0 you'd realize war sucked at 2.0, because it only had self healing (that sucked) and no real defensives.
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    Umbeliel's Avatar
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    Viola Cruxis
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 80
    Is this a meme.

    Please don't nerf pld. Please DO buff war and drk.
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    Arianya Advensten
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 89
    Alright, lets nerf PLD's damage output through the floor. However! The trade off is that PLD's defense and healing are boosted to the point that a PLD and 3 DPS can easily clear a 4 person dungeon. Or a PLD, 0-1 healer, and 6-7 DPS can handle 8 person raids. Everyone is so quick to point out that PLD is the defender tank, so lets take that to the max! While WAR and DRK will have L33T M4D DPS to throw out, but need healer support, PLD will deal almost no damage, and make up for it by having more DPS players along in the unneeded healer spot. Everyone's happy, right? >_>

    (note: This post is mainly a joke.)
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